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Old 02-12-2012, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I think many people are missing the bigger picture of this election. Ron Paul is the obvious choice for libertarian leaning Republicans. If he isn't on the ticket, libertarianism is not on the ticket IN ANY WAY. I am not sure what Ron Paul will do, as I believe he knows he can use the momentum of this movement to make a greater change than just 2012. Obviously, winning the Republican nomination would be the top goal. If he doesn't win, the movement is still very much alive, and Ron Paul will be in the driver seat of where that energy goes, but only for a short time. He must decide what is best to empower the movement if he does not get the nomination.
Options:
Throw his support behind Gary Johnson, and maybe even join his ticket as VP on the Libertarian ticket. This would be huge and would very likely lead to them easily getting 5% of the vote in the general election. Most say "big deal, they lose badly and cause Obama to get reelected". That is missing the point. Most libertarians do not see Santorum, Gingrich, or Romney as being fiscally conservative or being in support of individual liberties. 5% means they are entitled to the matching funding in the 2016 election as well as much easier ballot access which means they don't spend campaign money just getting on the ballot. This could be a game changer with the GOP fractured and with no identity, and would provide a viable 3rd party if enough people would stop automatically believing the 2 party enforcement pundits who write articles and speak on the news shows and regularly dismiss and discourage the idea of anyone actually voting for the person they most want to win. A 3rd party isn't easy, but the world is changing, especially the way we get the news, organize campaigns, and move through the politcal process. The time is right for a 3rd party option, and the party that can make the strongest case for its viability will be that 3rd party.

The other option is to funnel the energy of his movement behind his son and try to organize a Rand Paul candidacy or at the very least work hard to find a strong conservative candidate who will fight for the same principles that he has to run for president. I feel this is the most likely scenario if RP doesnt' win the nomination.

That being said, its REALLY hard to tell what he wants to do and I do believe he is fully absorbed with the current contest and not thinking about what happens if he doesn't win. So I don't think a decision has been made.
Do you really think he has ANY chance of winning the nomination?

Do you think he even thinks he has any chance of winning the nomination?

You are sooo delusioned.
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Old 02-13-2012, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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If Paul wins the nomination I will gladly vote for him. If he runs as any part of a third party his son's future in the GOP is over.
If the GOP wins both houses, it would be infinitely better to have any GOP in the White House. The job creating, tax lowering, regulation decreasing bills that are now languishing in the house would become law. If Obama wins, nothing good can happen. I would also rather have any judge appointed by any of the GOP candidates than the ones that the socialist will appoint.
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Old 02-13-2012, 06:55 AM
 
Location: NC
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For argument's sake....let's say Romney wins. I think he would go for Marco Rubio as his VP, but would you be placated by Ron Paul (or his son) as the VP pick? The VP is usually a useless position, but can fast track someone's career to the top (perhaps why Rand Paul would make a better VP than his father).
Most Paul supporters realize that the VP is a useless position, and picking Rand or Ron for that is merely a ruse to draw the support of Paul supporters. My hope is that Ron/Rand will turn the offer down even if it is offered to them and not sell out to warmonger Romney. It will be a huge disappointment to many Paul supporters. If the VP had an actual say in running the administration, that would have given cause for pause, but it's just a rubber stamp dummy post while the president is still alive, and Romney is in great shape physically.

But, Paul has a very good chance to win the nomination, so that will be our focus for now.
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Old 02-13-2012, 09:52 AM
 
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This why I am liking the battle that is going on right now. Sure, it exposes all of the candidates imperfections, not to mention views that one or the other of us might not like.

But, just as in the long, drawn out, bruising and ugly primary battle by the Democratic Party in 2008, it was not over, until Hillary Clinton conceded in June.

I am like the Doc in that I'm ABO. Otherwise, still reading, watching and listening.

Thanks to mogal and sleepdoc.
It's not the same. Hillary and Obama got into it a time or two during the 08, primary, but never on the level we've seen this year. I've been involved in the GOP for nearly 40 years, and I've never seen ANYTHING this ugly on either side EVER. They're ripping each other to shreds, and they've done it very early on. Which ever candidate comes out of the process with the nomination is already going to be at a big disadvantage in terms of public perception once the general begins.
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Old 02-13-2012, 10:09 AM
 
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No! Santorum won't be getting my vote. It's the Catholic part of Santorum (and Gingrich) that is scary! Having been raised as a Catholic, I KNOW how warped and Un-Godly that group is. Look at all the perverted priests, etc. that has come out. The subtle deception and brainwashing, with blatant error of the TRUE Word of God, by that bunch....is profound.

Santorum is a devout catholic. - BEWARE
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Old 02-13-2012, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Fargo, ND
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Most Paul supporters realize that the VP is a useless position, and picking Rand or Ron for that is merely a ruse to draw the support of Paul supporters. My hope is that Ron/Rand will turn the offer down even if it is offered to them and not sell out to warmonger Romney. It will be a huge disappointment to many Paul supporters. If the VP had an actual say in running the administration, that would have given cause for pause, but it's just a rubber stamp dummy post while the president is still alive, and Romney is in great shape physically.

But, Paul has a very good chance to win the nomination, so that will be our focus for now.
I doubt Rand would turn it down, it is his best chance to make himself a player in the GOP. Some of you Paul backers need to open your eyes, who is the one candidate that Paul rarely attacks and even defends at times....Mitt Romney.
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Old 02-13-2012, 12:08 PM
 
Location: NC
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I doubt Rand would turn it down, it is his best chance to make himself a player in the GOP. Some of you Paul backers need to open your eyes, who is the one candidate that Paul rarely attacks and even defends at times....Mitt Romney.
Sure, all of us notice that, but the reasons are pretty clear to us. There will always be the big money/Goldman Sachs/establishment/RINO/big government/country club bunch rooting for Romney (like 25%). Paul don't wish or even think he can pull away from that support because money-wise, he is not in the same league as Romney. What he needs is the anti-Romney/conservative vote (75%) which is currently being fought for between Paul, Frothy and Newt.

Paul is a fiscal conservative, so he needs to pick and choose his battles. Every "attack" involves money, so he needs to be very careful where he spends it.
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Old 02-13-2012, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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If Obama gets in again the republican platform in 2016 will be the least of your problems. There will never be another conservative president. The voters getting "freebies" from the government will be more than those voters paying and will guarantee the democrats victory.
Never another conservative President?
That depends on whether the Republican Party can ever pull itself back together. Obviously, the past 4 years have made the divisions only worse, so expecting unity to come back over the next 7 months is, by any rational standard, going to be impossible.

Will another 4 years be enough time to accomplish it? I don't know.

But as long as every faction within the party continues to want everything to go only their way, resolution is never gonna happen. When the various faction's leaders can't agree, the masses of followers are doomed to the same disagreement. Somebody has to be disappointed and get over it for agreement to happen. Somebody has to give it up so another can take over.

As long as the Republican Party has leaders that don't agree, the party can hardly expect the followers to agree, either. Unified leadership points the way, and the followers to all the heavy lifting. The winner comes from the bottom of this, not the top, because there is never perfect agreement. But there has to be enough to allow a few people to take their chances and run for the hardest job on earth.

No leadership at the top = no winner at the bottom. Hating on the other side doesn't keep a party going.

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Old 02-13-2012, 11:54 PM
 
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No! Santorum won't be getting my vote. It's the Catholic part of Santorum (and Gingrich) that is scary! Having been raised as a Catholic, I KNOW how warped and Un-Godly that group is. Look at all the perverted priests, etc. that has come out. The subtle deception and brainwashing, with blatant error of the TRUE Word of God, by that bunch....is profound.

Santorum is a devout catholic. - BEWARE
Oh you conspiracy nut you.
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Old 02-14-2012, 12:27 AM
 
Location: Kowaniec, Nowy Targ, Podhale. 666 m n.p.m.
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No! Santorum won't be getting my vote. It's the Catholic part of Santorum (and Gingrich) that is scary! Having been raised as a Catholic, I KNOW how warped and Un-Godly that group is. Look at all the perverted priests, etc. that has come out. The subtle deception and brainwashing, with blatant error of the TRUE Word of God, by that bunch....is profound.

Santorum is a devout catholic. - BEWARE
Santorum might call himself a "devout" Catholic, he is about as far into the lunatic fringe of Catholicism as we've not seen with "major" politicians in the Western world since the likes of Roman Giertych, which had a stint of victories back here in the mid-2000's and genuinely got people worried.
And this is in a country which is sort of semi-peripheral in the EU, and only recently became more of a major player in world politics...

I don't want to see where this world would go to if Santorum would actually become the president of the most powerful country in the world. If by any chance he would actually win, some 2012 prophecies might actually become true...

And talking about perverted priests, doesn't this seem slightly similar to the likes of prominent evangelicals who make money preaching doom and damnation upon everyone who for example engage in consentual "sodomous" activities, before going to a hotel and having themselved served by homosexual prostitutes paid for with the money so gladly donated to them by their congregation? At least within Catholicism, there is a general belief that men is fallible...
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