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Old 02-23-2012, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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The reason being that the Mormons teach a different Jesus.
A "different Jesus"? I didn't realize there was more than one to choose from. Which Jesus do "real" Christians teach of? The Jesus the Mormons teach of...

1. is the Only Begotten Son of God.
2. was with His Father in the beginning and created our universe.
3. was born of a virgin in Bethlehem.
4. lived a perfect life.
5. taught a gospel of love, mercy and forgiveness.
6. performed numerous miracles.
7. was betrayed by one of his closest friends.
8. was tortured and put to death in one of the cruelest means known to man, so that those who would repent of their sins and believe in Him might be reconciled to God.
9. forgave His murderers even as He hung dying.
10. rose again on the third day, and promised that we, too, shall one day live again after our deaths.
11. reigns in Heaven today with His Father.
12. will someday return to the Earth in glory.

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Christians universally regard Jesus as creator who made all things. The Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus was created just like Satan, you and me, or a frog.
See what I wrote (in blue font) above and learn from it. If you had read my post #52, you'd have already known that we believe Jesus Christ to have been the creator of our universe and with His Father before the creation ever took place. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time around. Next time you post anything about us that contradicts any of these twelve points, I will not be as generous.

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This makes LDS a false religious cult in the eyes of Christians.
And this makes that kind of Christians a bunch of judgmental bigots in the eyes of this particular Christian.

Now why don't we get back to discussing the OP. Please!
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:26 AM
 
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It appears that Rev. Franklin Graham is the arbiter of who can be considered Christian and who cannot, according to a recent interview: Rev. Franklin Graham Questions Obama’s, Romney’s Christian Faith - Washington Wire - WSJ

Even though he met with President Obama, who discussed his Christian faith, the good Reverend has "no idea what he really believes," but could be a "son of Islam."

When asked about Mitt Romney, Graham said "He’s a Mormon. Most Christians would not recognize Mormonism as part of the Christian faith."

But Rick Santorum's Christianity must be intuitively obvious because there is "no question about it … I think he is, no question, a man of faith."

So is Franklin Graham:

A) Applying a double-standard.

B) Prejudiced against anyone who doesn't subscribe to his particular narrow interpretation of Christianity

C) Hypocritical

D) All of the Above
Ya forgot :


E) an arrogant jerk who thinks for some bizarre reason HE decides who has "faith" and who doesn't.



F) An idiot who should be ignored by people who can think.



That's not multiple choice, that's fact.
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:35 AM
 
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And as for that a belief in a three-in-one God is a prerequisite for being called a "Christian," that kind of sucks for all of the "pretend Christians" who were martyred prior to 325 A.D., wouldn't you say?
Heh, that reminds me of Isaac Newton, who wrote often of his Arianist beliefs, in his letters to Leibniz ostensibly regarding the development of basic calculus. There's a theory advanced by some scholars of early modern science that he wrote in a code to express those views which at the time were under harsh scrutiny from the Anglican church. The Leibniz-Clarke letters are a great resource for insight into Newton's theological development.
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:39 AM
 
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Now why don't we get back to discussing the OP. Please!
Oh that

Let's see, Graham is a religious celebrity by birth right.
He says a lot of rather foolish things.

IMO, his rants are as irritating as a flea on a dog;
No matter how much one hopes he will go away, the Media keeps
putting him back on the air.

He is CEO of Samaritan's Purse - stick to that, and do a
Mother Theresa.
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Old 02-23-2012, 10:25 AM
 
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You're missing the forest for the trees. Baptists are an outlier in just about everything because each church is left more open to interpretation; the point is they all recognize each other as part of the apostolic tradition and not LDS.


Don't edit my post and then quote it again...first of all. You are the one that tried to use the acceptance of each other's baptism as a premise as to why LDS was different. That is not overall a correct statement.
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Old 02-23-2012, 10:29 AM
 
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If one accepts Jesus Christ as their lord and savior they are born again. If they are born again they have the Holy Spirit in them and God directs their path. When Jesus said if they are for me let them be. If their message is that the repentance of sins and that Jesus died and rose on the third day that their faith is real. If the message is to seek and save those lost in this world and the goodness of God and the forgiveness to others is Jesus's message. If they love the Lord God with all their heart soul mind and strength this is the fruit of a Christian.

Exactly and great post!
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Old 02-23-2012, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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If one accepts Jesus Christ as their lord and savior they are born again. If they are born again they have the Holy Spirit in them and God directs their path. When Jesus said if they are for me let them be. If their message is that the repentance of sins and that Jesus died and rose on the third day that their faith is real. If the message is to seek and save those lost in this world and the goodness of God and the forgiveness to others is Jesus's message. If they love the Lord God with all their heart soul mind and strength this is the fruit of a Christian.
I guess I've got to spread the love around before I try to increase your reputation again, Tartova.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:10 PM
 
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Don't edit my post and then quote it again...first of all. You are the one that tried to use the acceptance of each other's baptism as a premise as to why LDS was different. That is not overall a correct statement.
That's not what I did. Quit being deliberately obtuse.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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If one accepts Jesus Christ as their lord and savior they are born again. If they are born again they have the Holy Spirit in them and God directs their path. When Jesus said if they are for me let them be. If their message is that the repentance of sins and that Jesus died and rose on the third day that their faith is real. If the message is to seek and save those lost in this world and the goodness of God and the forgiveness to others is Jesus's message. If they love the Lord God with all their heart soul mind and strength this is the fruit of a Christian.
Amen.

There is no other 'test' required.
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:25 PM
 
Location: North America
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Well if any human is qualified to talk about what bieng a Christian is about, I cant think of another that would be more so.

Nope, not hardly. His resume is nothing compared to Jesus Christ.
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