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Old 02-23-2012, 12:37 PM
 
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It is the Progressive policies in both parties that got us here.

Progressive ideas and corruption, are the common denominator in this entire mess. Picking winners and losers, does a nation no good.
It's far right wing fascism and corporate greed that got us here. Even your beloved Ron Paul agrees,..
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:49 PM
 
Location: NC
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It's big government who is in bed with the big corporations that got us here. Both right and the left are in this together. Even your beloved Ron Paul agrees,..
There, I've fixed it for you.
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Old 02-23-2012, 02:19 PM
 
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I do wonder, would everyone actually buy the "fact" that there are no credible candidates this year if the media hadn't repeatedly said it over and over and over and over over and over and over again?
Doesn't the "people are sheeple" argument ever get tired for you? My goodness, come up with something besides, "People are mindless robots that do whatever the media says." It is REPUBLICANS rejecting these candidates by and large.

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The media took figures like JFK and Barack Obama and made them rock-star popular by their manipulation. The same thing is happening in equal measure to the GOP field this year in turning them into the butt of every possible joke. They've created nifty catch-phrases for each to help idiot Americans buy how awful each of them are. Even Fox News is in on it. It's just weird, but there it is.
And there you go again. If something doesn't go your way, it must because the media brainwashes America.

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Hillary and Obama beat the crap out of each other in 2008. These four candidates are following the same script, but they're dubbed unpresidential for it.
Nobody is saying they are being unpresidential, but I do find it very telling that pundits such as George Will and others pretty much see these candidates as being terrible.

Why don't you?
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Old 02-23-2012, 04:06 PM
 
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"Hope And Change" (2008)

The idea that newly elected Barack Obama would bring much-needed hope and change to the government and the citizens of the United States of America through fresh ideas, bold leadership, reinvigorated bipartisanship, and unparalleled optimism.

"We Can't Wait" (2012)

The idea that Hope and Change failed miserably and therefore it's time to point a finger at someone, anyone to deflect from the reality that Barack Obama has put forth unpopular ideas (instead of fresh), led from the back of the pack (instead of bold leadership), divided the nation more than ever (instead of reinvigorating bipartisanship), and increased pessimism among our citizens(instead of unparalleld optimism).

It appears that the President as moved the goal posts on America. Instead of being the man what would "fundamentally transform America".....he has become a Class AAA Blame Artist who is seeking to re-brand himself and re-direct the blame in light of his shortcomings.

The change in slogans is all the evidence one needs to see that the Presidential Internship of 2008 was an abysmmal failure indeed.
People might actually listen to you if you didn't blindly parrot the same things over and over. I'm not so sure that Obama is to blame for the polarization. Simply how things work in Washington is different than it used to be.

Do you have any data about pessimism? Is Obama the cause of polarization? Do you have anything to prove that? I mean, he's got the tin foil hat wearing trailer park types riled up, but I'm not sure he can claim the ability to polarize a whole nation. Bold leadership? Making the call to kill OBL would contradict this. It's not like they were 100% sure he would be there.

Fresh ideas? In politics there really aren't that many. Finance reform, healthcare reform, gays in the military, etc, would all be examples of more bold changes.

I mean I get it. You identify with Republicans, your emotions tell you to write about it on the internet, but can you at least back up ANYTHING you say?
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:02 PM
 
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So far, Obama is doing a fairly good job in cleaning up the Bush/GOP mess he inherited. Why on earth would anyone vote for one of these bedwetting Republican clowns running for president, only to return to the failed GOP policies that got us here in the first place? No wonder Obama is beating every single one of these bozos in the polls.

Four more years!
There are things directly related to this popped bubble that go back quite a bit. Easily to Clinton, so to say this is all Bush is just silly.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:14 PM
 
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There is no way he can be considered even a satisfactory president by any thinking person.
You are right, but unfortunately, this country is full of people who do not think.
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Old 02-24-2012, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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So far, Obama is doing a fairly good job in cleaning up the Bush/GOP mess he inherited. Why on earth would anyone vote for one of these bedwetting Republican clowns running for president, only to return to the failed GOP policies that got us here in the first place? No wonder Obama is beating every single one of these bozos in the polls.

Four more years!
All you liberals can come up with to defend Obama is either blame Bush or make people fear how a Republican would be much worse. You can't defend Obama's record because its been disastrous and you know it. You refuse to place any of the blame on Obama and instead blame Bush, but that doesn't change the fact that the last four years have been the most miserable four years in this country since Hoover's term.
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Old 02-24-2012, 05:38 PM
 
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I'm far from liberal. That said, your above post is nothing but a troll. You talk about other people making excuses for others yet you haven't even noted above what you allege that Obama did wrong. Instead of pointing the finger at Obama and pointing it at liberals, point it at yourself. You haven't proven your case here.

The last four years have been a disaster? Who was in power back then? Right. No matter if it was McCain in power right now or Obama, neither of them would have been responsible for the complete mess the economy has been in. There's little else anyone could do to stimulate the economy. It was already overstimulated when the economic collapse began.

Instead of being mad and pointing fingers, perhaps you should try actually learning something.
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Old 02-24-2012, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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I'm far from liberal. That said, your above post is nothing but a troll. You talk about other people making excuses for others yet you haven't even noted above what you allege that Obama did wrong. Instead of pointing the finger at Obama and pointing it at liberals, point it at yourself. You haven't proven your case here.

The last four years have been a disaster? Who was in power back then? Right. No matter if it was McCain in power right now or Obama, neither of them would have been responsible for the complete mess the economy has been in. There's little else anyone could do to stimulate the economy. It was already overstimulated when the economic collapse began.

Instead of being mad and pointing fingers, perhaps you should try actually learning something.
I admit, Bush caused this disaster. It happened on his watch so he takes the blame. If you want to get technical, you can blame Alan Greenspan because he helped inflate the housing bubble back in the early 2000s when fighting the 2001 recession, but since Bush was President its his fault.

That said, you asked for specifics as to what Obama has done wrong? He has cast an uncertainty over the corporate world due to his anti-business and radical pro-environmentalist policies. Companies are afraid to hire with a looming threat of higher taxes and stiffer regulations. If Bush gets blamed for what Greenspan did during his term, then you have to also blame Obama for the money-printing frenzy by the Federal Reserve under Bernanke over the past few years, tanking the value of the dollar and causing commodities to soar. This helps Wall St but causes major suffering on Main St as we are now paying far more for gasoline and food than we were in early 2009. Then there is Obamacare, which casts another huge shadow over business and has caused many people's health insurance costs to skyrocket.

So Bush created a mess, but Obama's policies have contributed to stalling a recovery that would have come no matter what. Instead of a strong recovery the economy is barely sputtering along, not growing even enough to keep up with population growth. The U3 unemployment rate has dropped thankfully over the past year to 8.3%, but you can't ignore the fact that the current labor-market participation rate is only 63.7%, the lowest since the early 1980s at the tail-end of the Carter/Reagan mini-depression.

So the liberal line is "It took 8 years for Bush to create this mess, and he created such a catastrophe that it will take more than 8 years of Democratic governance to fix it." If that's true, what specific Obama policies are responsible for getting the ball rolling towards recovery?
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Old 02-25-2012, 07:24 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It's far right wing fascism and corporate greed that got us here. Even your beloved Ron Paul agrees,..

So, Obama is right wing?
He has been about as fascist as it gets, and corporate greed surrounds him.
Obama's cabinet and administration are all wall street fat cats.
He calls himself, Progressive.
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