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View Poll Results: Who's in most need of a good performance tonight?
Rick Santorum 4 9.09%
Mitt Romney 7 15.91%
Newt Gingrich 16 36.36%
Ron Paul 17 38.64%
Voters: 44. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-22-2012, 09:29 PM
 
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Rep. Paul isn't a pacifist. He's a military veteran, after all. I don't recall anyone calling him a pacifist. An "isolationist"? Yes. Definately. Not a posture I want to see the President of the USA advocate.
I know he's an USAF veteran. I've heard quite a few folks that think he's
a pacifist. Maybe not the ones on TV, but I've heard it in everyday talk
from the Paul opposition, sort of speak.
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:30 PM
 
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He's already got us in Libya, et. al.
You're in Libya?
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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...and he gave no plan on how to prevent it. He's against sanctions, having bases in the area as a deterrent or direct military intervention. Paul says a lot of cutesy things but never gives details that are practical.
It's called diplomacy, we have 2000 diplomats that could make themselves useful.

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The survey indicates that men are slightly more willing to use military force than women, but that option is unpopular with both genders. Only 21% of men support military action against Iran; for women, that figure drops to 14%.
CNN Poll: Americans favor diplomacy against Iran – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:37 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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Thanks for the transcript. You ask the "people" through their elected representatives, Congress. Not individually. But I think he probably meant the same thing.
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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How would his diplomatic overtures be more successful than past and current diplomatic overtures? How would taking a military strike off the table publicly (even if you would try very hard to avoid it) not embolden them?
They would breathe a sigh of relief, and get back to making nuclear energy for their people. It would make us look like we came to our senses.

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Old 02-22-2012, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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All the candidates on that stage aside from Ron Paul espoused scarily neoconservative views of foreign policy. It's rather disappointing, considering how badly that ideology failed us in Iraq. And yet, it still seems to be the predominant foreign policy view within the GOP.

Why?
Because war is an economic stimulus, and empowers more gov't control of us as well as other nations. War feeds the machine. Obviously democrats support wars too, they just use it as a hammer to bash the GOP, while feeding the beast under the table.
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:47 PM
 
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Thanks for the transcript. You ask the "people" through their elected representatives, Congress. Not individually. But I think he probably meant the same thing.
We both know what he meant Just War Principles are older than our
country and as old as warfare itself.

See, war is not a frivolous thing. Hearing the way they talk in some
of the debates, they forget that Congress represents the people,
and it is "us" who actually fight "engage" in wars. And die.

When the Constitution was written, they kept that in mind.
Too bad, over time, things are lost in the translation or simply ignored.
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Ron Paul can't win because he really shouldn't.
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He has a cult following but his ideas are impractical. The other 3 chickenhawks are just pathetic. Romney answering questions he wants to answer.Just pathetic.
Which idea was impractical. Keeping the troops home to protect our borders and thus avoid 9/11 type attacks?
Keep big government out of the economy business therefore avoiding the horrible economic conditions we are currently experiencing?
Following the Constitution?
Those are impractical?

The only cultist is you and your buddies who blindly following big government no matter how horrible a job they do. Keep drinking the big government koolaid and following the status quo and you'll get more of the same failures.
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:49 PM
 
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Paul is a head-in-the-sand isolationist.
Not true, he is against isolating Iran, he promotes trade with all nations. When goods cross borders, troops don't.
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:51 PM
 
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He's against sanctions. Diplomacy with who? These guys..





Are you kidding me? Ron Paul is an isolationist. He's always been one which is why he has no foreign plan.
Constant war is not much of a plan. Paul wants to allow Congress to declare, we go in with a plan to win and get the hell out. That's a good plan.
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