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Old 03-01-2012, 02:49 AM
Location: Montgomery County, MD
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It's very misleading to call Snowe a "liberal". If she were in the Democrat party, she would be its most conservative politician, she's only more liberal than the right wing nutbars that make up the GOP. She pretends to compromise with Democrats and talks a moderate game but always votes with McConnell in the end.

That being said, this is very good news, we can get an actual solid liberal in Maine if Chellie Pingree gets on the ballot. The only thing I'm concerned about is that John Baldacci and Pingree split the liberal vote in the primary and we end up with that DINO Mike Michaud although he's still better than Snowe.
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Old 03-01-2012, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by db108108 View Post
I'm not allowed the keep repping you so I'll give you a rep here.

I hope that the GOP falls off the cliff, and I hope they lose big in November. If they do, there will finally be a reckoning within the party (long overdue) and they will start to move back towards the center and rationality. You see it in many of the R posters here - many have just veered off so far to the right (and think it's what America wants), that they're really not seeing the forest for the trees. As in, sure, ideological "purity" is great, but the more people you say are not "right-wing" enough (like Snowe), the fewer votes you're going to get. This whole conservative pissing match is broken because there is very little room on the right left to move to. I mean, you have a candidate like Santorum! Rick Santorum!! And he's led the pack!!! In 2012!!!! A guy who rallies against contraception, thinks that women should make the best situation of out babies conceived from rape, thinks higher education makes people snobbish, and believes that the devil is roaming America!

And yet, the other candidates are still trying to out-conservative him. It's almost like a parody sketch from SNL. It's surreal.

So when Romney wins the nomination (and he will), he'll be so far to the right that he'll have no chance of winning (personally, I see him as John Kerry II).

The Dems DO have moderates and dissension within their ranks - witness the blue dog Dems who will vote to defeat Dem legislation. The Conservative pissing match has weeded moderation out of the GOP - like Snowe.

So I hope the GOP does lose big, and I hope they have a day of reckoning. The party needs it. The voters need it. The country needs it. Because once we have two rational parties fighting for votes, offering real solutions to the country's problems (instead of mere conservative-pleasing platitudes, as have been so common in these primaries. I mean, 999? WTF? Who rationally thinks that that would EVER work without completely bankrupting the country?), we will finally start digging ourselves out of this mess.
Thanks--I'll rep you instead, but I do disagree with a few points. The centrist blue dog dems are on the decline as well, but not so much because they're facing primary opposition from extremists in their own party. Redistricting to create "safe" districts for each party has played a part, along with campaign funding increasingly tied to special interest groups vs. a broad base of public support. However, I think more democrats identify with the label "moderate" right now than you find in the R party, so you have more moderate D districts. I agree that the radical right wingers need to be flushed out of the R party. I'd rather have it happen this time around, get it over quickly, and then rebuild for 2016 vs. dragging this on for another four years. Like I said, we need two rational, strong parties, and we don't have that right now.
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Old 03-01-2012, 07:45 AM
Location: Norman, OK
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Terrible loss for the moderate wing of the Republican Party but I am not surprised.

Us moderates are being pushed out of the GOP because of the far right and ultra-purist conservatives. Those people would rush to vote against Ronald Reagan today. In fact, Reagan is closer to people like Romney and Snowe than Santorum. Yes, that is the actual truth. Look at his record as governor and as President.
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Old 03-01-2012, 01:31 PM
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Originally Posted by Smash255 View Post
Pretty easy pickup for the Dems
We will have to see who the candidates are, but you could be right. Of course she has always been among the most liberal of all Republicans.
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Old 03-01-2012, 03:04 PM
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Now if only McCain, Graham, Grassley, and McConnell were wise enough to join her....
In what wacky world are Graham, Grassley, and McConnell considered liberal?

And anyone who thinks that Snowe's replacement is going to be a more ideologically pure conservative is just delusional.
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