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Old 02-29-2012, 05:03 PM
 
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I am not a Romney fan. Nor Santorum or anyone other than the views of the artist formerly known as Ron Paul (some things have changed since 2007) but this is why the popular vote should be the ONLY way to win:

The man lost in a popular landslide but TIED in delegates. In sports terms that's like a sports team losing a game yet it not effect their ranking, league standings or even effect their chances of getting to the playoffs.

Why vote if the less popular candidate has a chance to win? WTF is up with this?

Oh yeah........DUMP THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM!
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Old 02-29-2012, 05:06 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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I agree!
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Old 02-29-2012, 05:11 PM
 
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Uh no.

The system is okay but what they really need to do is stop the winner take all.

If it's 70/30 the winner should get 70% of the delegates and the "loser" 30%. No more of this dominating states with boatloads of delegates.

I can't remember which few small states do it but THAT should be the way to go. The way is is now, when you know for sure you're state bleeds one color what's the point of voting when you know your vote is not going to matter because it's winner take all?
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Old 02-29-2012, 06:17 PM
 
Location: West Egg
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Uh no.

The system is okay but what they really need to do is stop the winner take all.

If it's 70/30 the winner should get 70% of the delegates and the "loser" 30%. No more of this dominating states with boatloads of delegates.

I can't remember which few small states do it but THAT should be the way to go. The way is is now, when you know for sure you're state bleeds one color what's the point of voting when you know your vote is not going to matter because it's winner take all?
Nebraska and Maine, but they rarely split their votes. 2008 was an exception, with Obama winning NE-2 (which includes Omaha) for 1 electoral college vote, and McCain winning NE-1, NE-3, and the statewide vote for 4 electoral college votes.

But sometimes the popular vote winner differs from the winner of the most Congressional districts. By that method, the 1960 and 2000 elections would have gone to the popular vote loser (as did the latter under the current method) and the 1976 election would have been a tie (and presumably the House delegations would have elected Carter). I don't know how any pre-1960 elections might have been affected by such a systems.

Of course, states which wanted to retain their all-or-nothing clout could conceivably get rid of their districts Congressional districts to circumvent the intent of the change.
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Old 02-29-2012, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The "crime" yesterday was not that Santorum got half of the delegates in Michigan. Afterall the vote was extremely close and not a landslide. The crime was that Romney got ALL the delegates in Arizona even though a majority of voters preferred someone other than Romney.
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Old 02-29-2012, 06:29 PM
 
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The "crime" yesterday was not that Santorum got half of the delegates in Michigan. Afterall the vote was extremely close and not a landslide. The crime was that Romney got ALL the delegates in Arizona even though a majority of voters preferred someone other than Romney.
That's our first-past-the-post system. Actually, GOP party rules prohibited any states voting before April 1st from allocating delegates that way. Arizona, as well as Florida and a few upcoming states, ignored the rule.
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Old 02-29-2012, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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That's our first-past-the-post system. Actually, GOP party rules prohibited any states voting before April 1st from allocating delegates that way. Arizona, as well as Florida and a few upcoming states, ignored the rule.
I heard AZ lost half its delegates as well. As an Indie, it also bothers me that taxpayers have to pick up the bill for these primaries, particularly when the parties get to make up the rules on when they will be and how delegates will be awarded - often undemocratically.
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Old 02-29-2012, 07:01 PM
 
Location: West Egg
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I heard AZ lost half its delegates as well. As an Indie, it also bothers me that taxpayers have to pick up the bill for these primaries, particularly when the parties get to make up the rules on when they will be and how delegates will be awarded - often undemocratically.
AZ lost half its delegates for scheduling the primary before March 6 -- GOP rules state that only IA, NH, NV and SC are allowed to do so. AZ's winner-take-all allocation before April 1 is yet another violation.
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Old 02-29-2012, 07:23 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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My take is: If you get 50% or more of the popular vote, you get that states delegates, If you don't get 50% those delegates get fought for.
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Old 02-29-2012, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Greater Washington, DC
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My take is: If you get 50% or more of the popular vote, you get that states delegates, If you don't get 50% those delegates get fought for.
That's not bad, I could go with that.

Keep in mind these reforms would be up to the individual political party. The system is certainly unfair and the blame falls on the GOP. If I were in charge, I would bind all delegates in every state to the national popular vote. Each state could still conduct it's primary however/whenever it wants within any other confines the party may establish. I don't think this infringes on state's rights since the GOP is not the US, it is a private organization and can make any rules it wants with regards to how it picks a candidate to run for president. Same goes for the Democratic Party.
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