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Old 03-26-2012, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Those are good questions. Many polls show both Ron Paul and Romney beating Obama in the general election. The real issue is the primary. I, and a lot of others, registered as Republicans specifically because of Ron Paul. The party establishment ignores us at it's own peril. I believe there are definitely enough of us to cause a brokered convention and to affect the election. I also doubt Ron Paul will run third party. So then it becomes a matter of whether we would support Romney (the only other likely nominee) or not. That depends on what Dr. Paul does and how they deal with us at the convention. If they try to ignore and railroad us like they have in many caucus states, they will get NO support from us in the general election and they will likely re-elect Obama. As far as the media, they can't decide what to do, criticize him or ignore him. Right now they are ignoring him again but I suspect that will change.
You have just explained one of the reasons true Republicans don't take Paul seriusly. You admit you and others are not real Republicans, but are regeistered that way just to support him. How can you really wonder why the party establishment not to ignore you? Paul is a libertarian at heart. This isn't in itself bad necessarily, but he can't expect to win over the true REpublicans and you can't expect the party to listen to those who are only want to see one person elected. You say there will be support from you in the general election? If you registered just to support Paul I doubt you would be voting Republican anyway. Many on this thread have already stated they will not support any other candidate regardless.

Nita
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Old 03-26-2012, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I think your right in parts...I usually vote republican, and I'm leaning for Paul
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Old 03-26-2012, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Texas
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You have just explained one of the reasons true Republicans don't take Paul seriusly. You admit you and others are not real Republicans, but are regeistered that way just to support him. How can you really wonder why the party establishment not to ignore you? Paul is a libertarian at heart. This isn't in itself bad necessarily, but he can't expect to win over the true REpublicans and you can't expect the party to listen to those who are only want to see one person elected. You say there will be support from you in the general election? If you registered just to support Paul I doubt you would be voting Republican anyway. Many on this thread have already stated they will not support any other candidate regardless.

Nita
Now Nita that isn't fair. Why do you get to decide who is or isn't a true republican? Did you forget this from 2008?

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Old 03-26-2012, 10:17 AM
 
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i would argue YOU and your neo-con group are not true republicans.

neo-cons themselves were not true republicans remember that.

SO who was the one that founded the republicans?

That is correct THOMAS JEFFERSON.

I really want to know how neo-cons feel about THOMAS JEFFERSON then.

Jefferson hated the fed remember? He also HATED THE bankers.
so why are republicans supporting bailouts?

read this on jefferson
American President: Thomas Jefferson: Foreign Affairs
he disliked big alliances and government armies policing everything like you advocate.
BUT do recognize defense for our people when the time comes.
If Iran will issue threats and attack us we can and will fight back.

YOUR notion that we must police the world at every wake and every corner is killing us economically spiritually morally ideologically,

yep your founder dislikes what you are doing are you going to desecrate Jefferson republican's father?
That is like using gods name in vain at this point your neo-con group are using the republican's name in vain for your selfishness.
And also its like you are desecrating your own religion when you desecrate the name of being republican with the antics being committed.

just because you out number the original group does not make it yours.
you just STOLE the name republican.

well i guess republicans like to spit at their creator then. Thanks for being traditional like you are suppose to... ya huh.
thus what you really support are neo-cons NOT republicans.

We are fighting to restore true republicans. So all the blood is on YOUR group hands which you will not admit to.

PS WW3 will be on all of your group and obama hands NOT IRAN not china not anyone. We know the administration wants war you know. we know you want war as well. Even if they have nothing or no threat you want war and you know it.
Thus your group will be the ones responsible. the rest should not even join the army to fight your wars anymore.

Please go send yourself to go die for these wars you want to fight neo-con.


GO MAKE YOUR OWN party neo-cons you are not a republican.

also people should be voting for the individual NOT the candidate the group thinks we should pick.
otherwise the party is worthless.

and yes the problem is compromising on our principles
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Old 03-26-2012, 10:25 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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The interesting thing about Ron Paul is that he is not a real republican thus the disinterest in him by their party. I really believe that he is staying in the race is becasue after they annouce mitt as their candidate Mr Paul will run as an independent and take votes from the president but most of them will come from the GOP's three stooges.
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Old 03-26-2012, 11:05 AM
 
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The interesting thing about Ron Paul is that he is not a real republican thus the disinterest in him by their party. I really believe that he is staying in the race is becasue after they annouce mitt as their candidate Mr Paul will run as an independent and take votes from the president but most of them will come from the GOP's three stooges.
um simetime please reread my post. he is the only real republican left.

THOMAS JEFFERSON was disgusted with the wigs and the federalists so he left them and made his own party you forget. The founder of republicans Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave.

IF ron paul is the thomas jefferson of our time as we said he is then he will make a new party


maybe he could call it the
"true republican party"

but nowadays they have shut the 3rd party window out already so it's much harder. imo he is trying to lead a thomas jefferson model but doing to and changing people from in the party itself then.

that is what the neo-cons did after all.

also simetime please stop calling the current batch of republicans: republicans they are not they are neo-cons.

call them what they are.
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Old 03-26-2012, 11:13 AM
 
Location: NC
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You have just explained one of the reasons true Republicans don't take Paul seriusly. You admit you and others are not real Republicans, but are regeistered that way just to support him. How can you really wonder why the party establishment not to ignore you? Paul is a libertarian at heart. This isn't in itself bad necessarily, but he can't expect to win over the true REpublicans and you can't expect the party to listen to those who are only want to see one person elected. You say there will be support from you in the general election? If you registered just to support Paul I doubt you would be voting Republican anyway. Many on this thread have already stated they will not support any other candidate regardless.
Anyone can be a "Republican". All it takes is checking a box in their voter registration form. Even Pelosi can be one and so can you. Now, a conservative, that's a different thing altogether. A conservative is supposed to defend Republicanism (i.e. political form of government based on the Constitution), free markets, capitalism, small government, low taxes, low regulations, and in general, just spend as less taxpayer money as possible. It's safe to say that 90% of the Republicans don't do any of the above, so they are not really conservatives. People who are registered Republicans but who are not conservatives have a name - RINO (Republican In Name Only). Thumping the Bible doesn't make one a conservative - it does make you a basket case though.

Whom you are calling "True Republicans" are actually "True RINOs". Paul is the last standing vestige of traditional conservatism (which is the same as libertarianism BTW, if you heed the words of your demi-God Reagan). Labels don't actually mean a lot - classical liberalism, libertarianism and conservatism actually have 95% of their ideologies in common, but the way the labels have been misused, a socialist is now a liberal and a fascist is now a conservative.

I don't detest the Republican party, but I do detest the big government spenders infesting the party now. If we can change your minds, then we can reclaim the party. Otherwise there is no hope.
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Old 03-26-2012, 11:44 AM
 
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If "true" R means voting R no matter who is running then I guess you could say that. However, what is the point of that?
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Old 03-26-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Now Nita that isn't fair. Why do you get to decide who is or isn't a true republican? Did you forget this from 2008?

I have to agree with her, Dr Paul ran on the republican ticket for whatever reason and I really believe that he would have ran on a democratic ticket if there had been a republican president. I think that after mitt gets the nomination, that Dr Paul will run as an independent and steal alot of votes from the GOP and some of the president's as well

He sure as hell get my vote
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:06 PM
 
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simetime it could happen remember independents out number BOTH democrats and republicans
(thanks to these party's bad leadership and corruption many left their ranks.)

if all independents rally behind 1 person like ron paul then neo-cons and socialists/fascists both lose the problem again is the media being bought and paid for by these 2 corporate cronies though
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