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Have you seen any of the tornado victims taking advantage of the tragedy by looting? Has the military been called in yet to deal with the violence?
After the earthquake and nuclear meltdown in Japan, did people loot Wal-Mart's or did they get together to fix the situation?
Good job bringing race into the equation, as the people of New Orleans didn't exactly show "honor" and "integrity" following the hurricane. Also, I'm sure those affected by these tornadoes weren't given explicit instructions to evacuate days in advance.
This was exactly what we all said after Joplin..There was no visable looting, and yes, the same with Japan and in TN when the floods hit last year.
This was exactly what we all said after Joplin..There was no visable looting, and yes, the same with Japan and in TN when the floods hit last year.
Exactly. Considering that those who looted and became violent after Katrina are darlings of the left, their behavior is not seen as despicable in their eyes. They are an important voting bloc and must not be criticized by racists speaking of personal responsibility and independence from government handouts.
Amend the state constitution to add it, or let the private sector handle it. It's a state decision best left to the folks of the state.
Federal Government or State Government, it is all still Government. We are not a lose confederation of states, just so ya know, try leaving the Union and you will learn that simple fact.
Ron Paul and his supporters need to stop hating everything just because it is the government. A federal agency that handles disaster relief is needed and should be something the federal government does. People can argue about the size and scope of such an agency but to say it should just be cut and left up to the states is horribly misguided. You leave this country completely vulnerable to a disaster like Katrina that would overwhelm any state.
Federal Government or State Government, it is all still Government. We are not a lose confederation of states, just so ya know, try leaving the Union and you will learn that simple fact.
thanks, that is exactly how I see it: what difference does it make whether the state or the feds help out? It is still government and it still takes tax $$s. I wonder if people realize the cost per person is minute compared to many other government programs. I do think some posters do need to think through what the are preaching.
So you are saying Kentucky shouldn't offer aid either since they don't explicitly spell out in their state constitution amendments for disaster aid?
The specific answer to your question is - that is for Kentuckians to decide. If it was my home state, I will insist that my state government abide strictly by the Constitution.
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And as needs/society evolves they should amend their constitution for everything the state government does or spends money on?
That is absolutely correct.
Do you see any issues with this?
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When my neighbor needs help and my money is used to help them, I do not consider them stealing from me, but obviously you do.
You are misconstruing things.
When your neighbor needs help, you should help them, absolutely. You don't need the government to educate you about that basic humanitarian function, do you? You don't need the government to tell you to love your spouse, love your kids, love your neighbors etc. These qualities are inherent in us. Even before there was an entity called "government", we did these things.
But, when government comes in and takes my money by force (try not paying your taxes and see what the IRS does to you), and then tell me that they are going to "help" my neighbor, I don't buy that charade.
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Of course most of us realize money is wasted by the government, but we are not talking about the single mom who has 5 illegitament kids and gets help for all of them or the illegal that walks into the emergancy room because they have a cold, we are talking about natural disasters.
You think the federal government should "help" natural disaster victims. Liberals think we should "help" the poor. Do Republicans have a leg to stand on, when they berate them about being "socialists"? Aren't you a socialist too, if you think about it? Now do you realize why the world laughs at the GOP?
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Here is a situation that actually did happen to us and others in our community in No Texas a about 12 years ago: strong winds and hail damaged our roof. We had a $1000 deductable like most people do. We paid the deductable and less than a year later we lost another roof due to hail damage. We again, paid our $1000 but what about the senior citizens or the truely disabled who can not come up with $1000 at the drop of a hat all the time? Have you thought about some of those people, who have lived in their houses for 30 years, are trying to keep a roof over their heads and are trying not to depend on the government? There are many like that, what would you do with them?
Why should the FEDERAL government do this? Why can't the states or the NGOs?
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Do you really think, because I or some others think there is a time when the government needs to step in we think the feds should help everyone for everything? If you do think that, you are sadly mistaken. There is a difference between disasters and stupidity or laziness.
There is a danger in leaving people to interpret what the government should "help" people with. You say it's X, I say it's Y. Who is right? Neither, if the Constitution says Z. Which is why the Constitution must be the basis for all decisions.
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Federal Government or State Government, it is all still Government. We are not a lose confederation of states, just so ya know, try leaving the Union and you will learn that simple fact.
You already know my answer to this - when Federal government does something bad, it affects everyone. When state government does something, it affects only people of that state. The residents of that state have more power over their state government than the federal government.
Yes, Government has slowly taken over the roll of God and thy neighbor.
Judging by the many posts here about not caring what happens to our fellow citizens there is good reason the government did step in to assist those in need. The days of people helping each other on a large scale is over and gone, if they truely ever existed to begin with.
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Might I make a far out suggestion. If people don't want FEMA assistance, turn it down. Elect governors who won't request federal disaster assistance. And if you can't do that, say no when the federal government offers you food/water/shelter/clothing/cleaning supplies.
It's a bit telling that people keep harping on Katrina. Yeah, that's what happens when you hand government over to people who appoint unqualified cronies. Compare that to now, where the director has decades of experience.
As for looting, Katrina was a whole different scale of disaster (and subsequent government failure). Of course, there was, in fact, looting in Joplin, as anyone with two seconds and a search engine can find out.
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