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Old 03-05-2012, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Gone
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You already know my answer to this - when Federal government does something bad, it affects everyone. When state government does something, it affects only people of that state. The residents of that state have more power over their state government than the federal government.
True on the first part, but then again the opposite can also be said. No they do not, we have Reps we voted for in both cases neither can claim to be better than the other. We are one Nation and should act like it, Pauls idea of every state running its own show without any interference from the Federal Government flys in the face of us being one Nation.
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Old 03-05-2012, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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You missed the point by a mile. This is not a federal government function. Dust up your copy of the U.S. Constitution and look under Article 1, Section 8. If you see this there, let me know.

States can do this, and so can the private sector, and can provide the same help you are describing, as if it's something magical which only the federal government can do.
I think doing disaster relief is providing for the "general welfare" of the country. While each state could do this themsevles there is a big advantage in the ability to pool the resources of a nation.

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Old 03-05-2012, 11:49 AM
 
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I think doing disaster relief is providing for the "general welfare" of the country. While each state could di this themsevles there is big advantage in the ability pool the resources of a nation.
That is because you believe we are One Nation that should work together for the common good, Paul and his supporters do not agree with that concept.
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:06 PM
 
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That is because you believe we are One Nation that should work together for the common good, Paul and his supporters do not agree with that concept.
We are not one nation any longer. Symbolically, maybe, but not idealistically. The federal government doesn't secure our borders, and sues states that attempt to. The federal government passed an unconstitutional health care law that many states have legislatively challenged. The seeds of discontent have been sown. Ideologically, this nation is more fractured than at any point I can ever remember. The liberals preach socialism, the "conservatives" preach war, and both disregard the constitution. Libertarians and Independents cannot compete with the two party machine and the steady flow of zombies who support them. They cannot compete against the corporate interests that finance these machines.

If you can't see that this nation is splitting along ideological lines, you are blind, my friend.
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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That is because you believe we are One Nation that should work together for the common good, Paul and his supporters do not agree with that concept.
Bingo! The motto for our nation from the Paul crowd is "E pluribus (not so) unum".
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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That mindset led to the disaster known as Katrina.
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:16 PM
 
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Federal Government or State Government, it is all still Government.
Exactly, and these things people are saying aren't in the US Constitution so the states should do them aren't in the state constitutions either. What next people at the state saying it should be up a function of the counties since it isn't in the state constitution to provide disaster relief.
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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I think doing disaster relief is providing for the "general welfare" of the country. While each state could do this themsevles there is a big advantage in the ability to pool the resources of a nation.

I agree, and so does the Constitution.
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Ron Paul and his supporters need to stop hating everything just because it is the government. A federal agency that handles disaster relief is needed and should be something the federal government does. People can argue about the size and scope of such an agency but to say it should just be cut and left up to the states is horribly misguided. You leave this country completely vulnerable to a disaster like Katrina that would overwhelm any state.
We aren't anarchists...

We believe the the Feds shouldn't doing the job of local governments (state, county, etc.), charities, and private corporations.

Hypothetically, if ~2/3rds of the population gave $10, there would be ~$2.5 billion in funds plus whatever private businesses would give and the local government contribution.

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Bingo! The motto for our nation from the Paul crowd is "E pluribus (not so) unum".
1) If you read what I wrote above, that is E Pluribus Unum because there is more of a communal sense (and cheaper) when charities do most of the work.

2) The motto should be changed to Veni, Vidi, Vici as long as the Neo-Cons and other Chickenhawks control our foreign policy...
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:56 PM
 
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This is a seriously fluffy hit piece if ever I saw one. Did anybody actually see this video?

I will say FEMA is a joke and that states have money and would have even more if it wasn't given to giant federal organizations. This mentality is what is making everyone dependent on a govt that does such a bad job. This doesn't even have to be a govt job at all.
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