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Old 03-10-2012, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Ah yes even in death, and multiple times too!!

Reports of Dead Voters Understated
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:55 AM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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No valid ID no vote.

I am also for anyone who has been on welfare for more then 1 year at election time not allowed to vote.

If you are on welfare for more then a year then of course you are going to vote for anyone who will hand you something for free and that is not right.

Most poor people give excuses they cannot get ID.

Yes you can, most poor find ways to take advantage and milk the system but yet they cannot get a photo ID. Amazing.
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Old 03-10-2012, 01:08 AM
 
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No valid ID no vote.

I am also for anyone who has been on welfare for more then 1 year at election time not allowed to vote.

If you are on welfare for more then a year then of course you are going to vote for anyone who will hand you something for free and that is not right.

Most poor people give excuses they cannot get ID.

Yes you can, most poor find ways to take advantage and milk the system but yet they cannot get a photo ID.
Amazing.
No your statement is amazing.

Corporate welfare is by far a much bigger issue to me than citizens receiving safety net benefits from a system they have paid into.

Finding money to pay for basics is an everyday occurrence for "poor" people so getting ID should be reasonably accessible in both costs and laws. If people were so successful at taking advantage of the system I don't think they would be poor.

Note that I am not a fan of Big Govt and it's monetary distributions.
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Old 03-10-2012, 01:13 AM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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No your statement is amazing.

Corporate welfare is by far a much bigger issue to me than citizens receiving safety net benefits from a system they have paid into.

Finding money to pay for basics is an everyday occurrence for "poor" people so getting ID should be reasonably accessible in both costs and laws. If people were so successful at taking advantage of the system I don't think they would be poor.

Note that I am not a fan of Big Govt and it's monetary distributions.

Someone mentioned that is most states the poor already get free government paid for photo IDs.


Most people who are poor choose to be poor and do nothing to better themselves. Most poor wont work or learn a skill and just accept their lives as they are.

No reason anyone should be poor even during this horrific economy. Money can be made all day long if you are willing to put out the effort.

I can make 200 per day every day just running around town looking for antiques, collectibles, usable household items, etc. I do it 5 days a week now and dont even work that hard at it. More of a hobby for me, a challenge to see how much I can sell on ebay and amazon.

No reason for someone to be so poor they cannot buy a 5.00 photo ID.
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Old 03-10-2012, 01:23 AM
 
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Someone mentioned that is most states the poor already get free government paid for photo IDs.


Most people who are poor choose to be poor and do nothing to better themselves. Most poor wont work or learn a skill and just accept their lives as they are.

No reason anyone should be poor even during this horrific economy. Money can be made all day long if you are willing to put out the effort.

I can make 200 per day every day just running around town looking for antiques, collectibles, usable household items, etc. I do it 5 days a week now and dont even work that hard at it. More of a hobby for me, a challenge to see how much I can sell on ebay and amazon.

No reason for someone to be so poor they cannot buy a 5.00 photo ID.
Well luckily you can afford a car, maintenance, insurance, gas, drivers license, money to purchase items for resell, other bus costs including a bus lic.

I am pretty sure in FL ID is more than that. I know Drivers Lic is much more and that it cost 30 dollars just to change your address. NM you need your entire personal life history documented in perfect detail to get a license. Not sure about basic id documentation.
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Old 03-10-2012, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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This is another issue where the obama admin is going up against the will of the people. In the polls, the American people overwhelmingly support voter ID laws, but still, the Holder DOJ is intent on protecting democrat fraud.
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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This is another issue where the obama admin is going up against the will of the people. In the polls, the American people overwhelmingly support voter ID laws, but still, the Holder DOJ is intent on protecting democrat fraud.
You could be right, but who knows about your polling source. But, I am pretty sure in 1964, the Admin went against popular opinion.
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Old 03-18-2012, 12:02 PM
 
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Here's the voting results in Indiana and Georgia since they passed their voter id laws in 2006:


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But compare two elections in which Obama wasn’t on the ballot, the 2010 midterm congressional elections with the 2006 midterms, which took place before the photo ID laws were in effect.

In Indiana, turnout was 22 percent higher in 2010, after photo ID, than in 2006.

In Georgia, total turnout in the 2010 midterms was 19 percent higher than in 2006.

And 44 percent more African-American voters cast ballots in the 2010 midterms in Georgia than in 2006.

Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp, a Republican said, “All these critics and these reports that are saying that people are going to be disenfranchised -- they have no hard data. They’re speculating. When you look at our numbers, we know, because we’ve been doing this since 2007, we know that minority participation has actually increased since photo ID laws were put in place.”

NBC Politics - As 2012 turnout battle brews, Justice Dept. eyes voter ID laws


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Old 03-18-2012, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Riverside
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Here's the voting results in Indiana and Georgia since they passed their voter id laws in 2006:
Sorry, but it's ridiculous to assert that changing the law so fewer people can vote is going to INCREASE voter turnout.

Just off the top of my head, i can think of an alternet explanation for your facts:

Both Indiana and George are Red states. The 2006 election was a Dem landslide. The Dems were energized, the GOP was depressed. The 2010 election was just the opposite- the GOP turned out in mass to stop Obama "socialism". So maybe THAT's why the turnout in Indiana and Georgia were higher in 2010 than 2006, not due to the effects of "voter ID".

It will take several cycles to begin to assess the effects of the voter ID laws. My sense is, they will depress turnout in the poor and ethnic communities. Most, not all, but MOST people effected are likely to be Dem voters. Even a percentage point or two will make a difference in a close election, which 2012 will be.

Hence, the GOP zeal is getting such laws passed.
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Old 03-18-2012, 04:18 PM
 
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It will take several cycles to begin to assess the effects of the voter ID laws. My sense is, they will depress turnout in the poor and ethnic communities.
The article I posted pointed out that 44% more African Americans voted in the 2010 midterm elections more than in 06.

This Georgia law doesn't seem to be suppressing the Black vote in Georgia. I live in Georgia and since this law was passed in 06 I haven't heard any Black folks complaining about not being able to vote.
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