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Old 03-22-2012, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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What if they are issues that ARE important to other people, though? Are you and the issues that are important to YOU the only thing that matters?

And what happens if he starts flip flopping on issues that ARE important to you?

He hasn't really flip flopped on many issues at all and the issues I'm most concerned about are backed up with an actual record.
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Texas
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As well you should. I think this one, being so visual, has the potential to stick.
I agree.

I was reading a conservative blog earlier and the comments following one of the posts. The type of people who post on these blogs already have a distrust of Romney and they were capitalizing on this "etch-a-sketch" remark.

Also, now we have Santorum apparently trying to divide the GOP even more (even though, at this point, there's virtually NO chance of him winning the nomination outright or even of a brokered convention):

Santorum suggests Obama preferable to 'Etch-A-Sketch' Romney - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/22/3507477/santorum-suggests-obama-preferable.html - broken link)

This "etch-a-sketch" comment leaves a bad taste in my mouth - I freely admit. But, at the same time, I understand that every campaign - Republican or Democrat - does this. You go to the left or to the right in the primaries, then move toward the center for the general election campaign. That's just the way it works. I don't think it's even necessarily so much a matter of changing stances on issues; I think it's more about phrasing the stances differently. This campaign manager made a very poor choice of words and, to be honest, the Romney campaign has made a series of what I consider to be very poor decisions (another example would be the event at the football stadium). That's what concerns me the most.
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:53 PM
 
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This "etch-a-sketch" comment leaves a bad taste in my mouth - I freely admit. But, at the same time, I understand that every campaign - Republican or Democrat - does this. You go to the left or to the right in the primaries, then move toward the center for the general election campaign. That's just the way it works. I don't think it's even necessarily so much a matter of changing stances on issues; I think it's more about phrasing the stances differently. This campaign manager made a very poor choice of words and, to be honest, the Romney campaign has made a series of what I consider to be very poor decisions (another example would be the event at the football stadium). That's what concerns me the most.
You're right about every candidate having to play to their fringes during the primaries, but this year those far right fringes are really off in the weeds, and that's created a problem for Romney that he may not be able to overcome. It's no secret that I'm no fan of Romney's, but the acrobatics he's had to perform merely to stay in the race have added greatly to the perception that he's a flip flopper. The guy is simply not a conservative--he's an East Coast moderate Republican at a time when moderates are not welcome in the GOP, so he's had to do some pretty silly contortions to placate the hard right. The question is, can he recover from that and try to campaign from the center in the general without losing the tenuous hold he has on the fringes? I'm not sure he can.
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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You're right about every candidate having to play to their fringes during the primaries, but this year those far right fringes are really off in the weeds, and that's created a problem for Romney that he may not be able to overcome. It's no secret that I'm no fan of Romney's, but the acrobatics he's had to perform merely to stay in the race have added greatly to the perception that he's a flip flopper. The guy is simply not a conservative--he's an East Coast moderate Republican at a time when moderates are not welcome in the GOP, so he's had to do some pretty silly contortions to placate the hard right. The question is, can he recover from that and try to campaign from the center in the general without losing the tenuous hold he has on the fringes? I'm not sure he can.
Romney does not have to worry about the fringes in the general. They are not voting for Obama unless his skin changes color. Romney's problem is credibility and appeal to independents and moderates in swing states. Etch-a-sketch is a very bad development with respect to those voters.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:05 PM
 
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Romney does not have to worry about the fringes in the general. They are not voting for Obama unless his skin changes color. Romney's problem is credibility and appeal to independents and moderates in swing states. Etch-a-sketch is a very bad development with respect to those voters.
Yes, you're right about the fringes, but they are the only path to the general election. And the contortions he has attempted in order to be far enough to the right for them is what is going to sink him in the general. No one is going to believe him when he attempts to sound more like a moderate. And this is where the etch-a-sketch is going to really hurt.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I believe Romney has character and is a decent guy. Obama could never be as trustworthy as Romney. Never!
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:14 PM
 
Location: MW
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I agree.

I was reading a conservative blog earlier and the comments following one of the posts. The type of people who post on these blogs already have a distrust of Romney and they were capitalizing on this "etch-a-sketch" remark.

Also, now we have Santorum apparently trying to divide the GOP even more (even though, at this point, there's virtually NO chance of him winning the nomination outright or even of a brokered convention):

Santorum suggests Obama preferable to 'Etch-A-Sketch' Romney - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/22/3507477/santorum-suggests-obama-preferable.html - broken link)

This "etch-a-sketch" comment leaves a bad taste in my mouth - I freely admit. But, at the same time, I understand that every campaign - Republican or Democrat - does this. You go to the left or to the right in the primaries, then move toward the center for the general election campaign. That's just the way it works. I don't think it's even necessarily so much a matter of changing stances on issues; I think it's more about phrasing the stances differently. This campaign manager made a very poor choice of words and, to be honest, the Romney campaign has made a series of what I consider to be very poor decisions (another example would be the event at the football stadium). That's what concerns me the most.
Santorum is such an idiot.





Anyway, with etch-a-sketch stocks up, I guess people like them. LOL
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Old 03-22-2012, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Well, I always thought an Etch-a-Sketch was a cool toy as a kid. Maybe that will cement the boomer vote.
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Old 03-23-2012, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Lightbulb lol...

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I believe Romney has character and is a decent guy. Obama could never be as trustworthy as Romney. Never!
Unless you consider how each of them would treat something that depends on them for love, food, drink and general well being and happiness...

Why don't we let their dogs decide?
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Old 03-24-2012, 10:30 AM
 
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Have you googled 'Romney lies' lately?
Romney's response to the etch-a-sketch gaffe is interesting. When asked about it by a reporter he replied, "I’m running as a conservative Republican." Not, I am a conservative Republican, but I'm running as one. Reminiscent of his, "I'm running for office, for Pete's sake, I can't have illegals!" It's when Romney tells the truth that you have to pay attention. In this case, it only served to reinforce the gaffe he was trying to refute.
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