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I do not believe that the president has only changed his mind on one issue. I do believe that the things that he has changed his mind about mean very little in the larger scheme of things and that, unlike Mr. Romney, he does have a core belief system that has been and remains perfectly evident. I don't wonder where the president stands on the matters of healthcare or equality or diplomacy. He hasn't said or done anything that truly surprised me other than bend over backwards to appease the loons on the right.
We can agree to disagree about what transpired with the pipeline, however, until the REPUBLICAN governer of Nebraska raised the alarm, everything was proceeding as planned. That FACT is indisputable.
And, I really don't care if the president approved of it or didn't or when.
The president does not get involved in every single business decison made across this country, nor should he.
Or, are the 'small-government' types now all about micro-managing?
Proceeding as planned without the final approval or a public statement that they would get one by the man at the top. Then Nebraska got worried about the route. For the president not to be involved on a large issue is striking. The only rational reason is he was choosing to be quiet when asked to speak out is to protect his Green votes.
So none of Obama's flip flops are on core beliefs? Gitmo, Gas Supply, etc.
Proceeding as planned without the final approval or a public statement that they would get one by the man at the top. Then Nebraska got worried about the route. For the president not to be involved on a large issue is striking. The only rational reason is he was choosing to be quiet when asked to speak out is to protect his Green votes.
So none of Obama's flip flops are on core beliefs? Gitmo, Gas Supply, etc.
The president signed an executive order to close Gitmo days after taking office. He was stabbed in the back by that majority Congress that everyone wants to believe "gave him everything he wanted." As has been noted already in this thread, again contrary to want some want to believe, the president has only so much power and can do only so much without congressional approval.
Anyway, saw this and had to share:
"Mitt Romney trails Barack Obama by 19 points in basic popularity as the 2012 presidential contest inches closer to the main event, with a record 50 percent of Americans in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll now rating Romney unfavorably overall. Thirty-four percent hold a favorable opinion of Romney, the lowest for any leading presidential candidate in ABC/Post polls in primary seasons since 1984."
The president signed an executive order to close Gitmo days after taking office. He was stabbed in the back by that majority Congress that everyone wants to believe "gave him everything he wanted." As has been noted already in this thread, again contrary to want some want to believe, the president has only so much power and can do only so much without congressional approval.
Anyway, saw this and had to share:
"Mitt Romney trails Barack Obama by 19 points in basic popularity as the 2012 presidential contest inches closer to the main event, with a record 50 percent of Americans in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll now rating Romney unfavorably overall. Thirty-four percent hold a favorable opinion of Romney, the lowest for any leading presidential candidate in ABC/Post polls in primary seasons since 1984."
Several newspapers that are generally favorable to Obama including the NY Times agrees with me. That he flip flopped on the issue and put forth a weak position that would essentially keep it open while making appearances to the contrary to fool...well people like you.
P.S. Romney's favorability will go up some once he secures the bid, this is typical. And anyways, what does Romney's favorability have to do with Obama's? They are both flip floppers.
Several newspapers that are generally favorable to Obama including the NY Times agrees with me. That he flip flopped on the issue and put forth a weak position that would essentially keep it open while making appearances to the contrary to fool...well people like you.
P.S. Romney's favorability will go up some once he secures the bid, this is typical. And anyways, what does Romney's favorability have to do with Obama's? They are both flip floppers.
Errrr... Just what was said, congress is preventing the closure.
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Congress has pretty well tied the administration's hands, prohibiting prosecution in U.S. federal courts and making it extremely difficult to transfer them to other countries, according to Clutter.
Errrr... Just what was said, congress is preventing the closure.
From your own citation.
I was going to mention that several very learned people are mentioned in that link as saying they don't believe that the administration has given up on closure but, that poster seems to take Polifact opinion as fact so, it seemed rather pointless
Personally, I've had no use for them since they tried to convince people that 40% is a 'majority' but to each his or her own
Errrr... Just what was said, congress is preventing the closure.
From your own citation.
Wait a minute. Obama promised to close it right away if elected. Then he changed it to a later date of within his first year. If Obama would have tried to fulfill that promise he could have done it with his party in power. Why did he wait until after the time frame of his promise when the Republicans were in power and then give a half-hearted effort?
Obama chose to not attempt it for any of the 171 detainees until it was clear congress was in opposition based on the Republicans win.
Hey I'll promise to paint your house right away, well I'll promise to paint your house within a year....oh I just tried to paint now that it's been 3 years, but now it is winter, I can't paint in the winter.....I didn't break a promise.
Wait a minute. Obama promised to close it right away if elected. Then he changed it to a later date of within his first year. If Obama would have tried to fulfill that promise he could have done it with his party in power. Why did he wait until after the time frame of his promise when the Republicans were in power and then give a half-hearted effort?
Obama chose to not attempt it for any of the 171 detainees until it was clear congress was in opposition based on the Republicans win.
Hey I'll promise to paint your house right away, well I'll promise to paint your house within a year....oh I just tried to paint now that it's been 3 years, but now it is winter, I can't paint in the winter.....I didn't break a promise.
Five months later, as in the same year, when he had that so-called majority:
"In a rare, bipartisan defeat for President Barack Obama, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to keep the prison at Guantanamo Bay open for the foreseeable future and forbid the transfer of any detainees to facilities in the United States. "
December of the following year, again when he still had that so-called majority:
"Congress on Wednesday passed legislation that would effectively bar the transfer of Guantanamo detainees to the U.S. for trial, rejecting pleas from Obama administration officials who called the move unwise.
A defense authorization bill passed by the House and Senate included the language on the offshore prison, which President Barack Obama tried unsuccessfully to close in his first year in office. "
Five months later, as in the same year, when he had that so-called majority:
"In a rare, bipartisan defeat for President Barack Obama, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to keep the prison at Guantanamo Bay open for the foreseeable future and forbid the transfer of any detainees to facilities in the United States. "
December of the following year, again when he still had that so-called majority:
"Congress on Wednesday passed legislation that would effectively bar the transfer of Guantanamo detainees to the U.S. for trial, rejecting pleas from Obama administration officials who called the move unwise.
A defense authorization bill passed by the House and Senate included the language on the offshore prison, which President Barack Obama tried unsuccessfully to close in his first year in office. "
Congress blocked him from bringing them on US Soil.
Obama could still close Gitmo as a prison. He just couldn't bring them on US Soil. He could hold trials or ascertain evidence to let some go free...Bush let 500 go in this manner...he did nothing which is either a sign of ineptness not getting part of what he wanted or flip flopping by playing along.
Also for supposedly ordering no torture, the lawyer for the Gitmo detainees said it still happens and in fact at a high rate.
Congress blocked him from bringing them on US Soil.
Obama could still close Gitmo as a prison. He just couldn't bring them on US Soil. He could hold trials or ascertain evidence to let some go free...Bush let 500 go in this manner...he did nothing which is either a sign of ineptness not getting part of what he wanted or flip flopping by playing along.
Also for supposedly ordering no torture, the lawyer for the Gitmo detainees said it still happens and in fact at a high rate.
Yes, little by little in 2011 and 2012. He was elected when?
+1 to you though.
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