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Old 03-28-2012, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Gone
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So ironic how the right wing self-described uberpatriots are the first to throw in the towel if they perceive their agenda isn't making any headway.
For some, if they cannot win using the democratic system we have they are more than willing to tear the entire Nation apart and rebuild it to match their own vision. There are two types of people in this Nation that belong to the lowest of the low, Traitors and Racists, both types are Losers now and will remain Losers Always. It is up to the Amerian People to ensure such creatures Never hold sway in our Nations Government
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Old 03-28-2012, 07:56 AM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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and Jefferson the writer of the constitution repealed the whiskey tax law.
please read up on it

Whiskey Rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hamilton favored large corporate interests and levied the taxes and regulations to punish poor farmers making it less competitive for the smaller farms to compete with larger corporations.

do you not see similarities with today the way gov is run?
IMO hamilton probably advised Washington badly on this one and washington listened.
too bad Washington you should have listened to Jefferson more imo.

as a result federalists were destroyed by their own big government stance yep people voted them out.

tyvm Jefferson. he formed the democratic-republic party yep they had the names together.
and thus democrats and republicans use to be ONE AND THE SAME.

they split up over some disagreements later on of course. but the idea is still there.
small and efficient government without imposing on people. apparently both sides are just spitting at jefferson's grave right now.

i guess you could say Jefferson created both democrats and republicans and they both are spitting at him... how noble of them...

thanks guys.

ps we need another thomas jefferson to squash these 2 party vampire squids.
He was a writer for the Declaration of Independence - not the constitution.
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Old 03-28-2012, 08:22 AM
 
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Hahahahahahahah
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Old 03-28-2012, 10:29 AM
 
Location: PA
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First off it is obvious that you did not pen that yourself. Secondly, you speak of armed rebellion to overthrow the legally elected government of the United States of America, which sir means you are no Patriot, but instead it makes you a Traitor to this Nation and it's People. Any time you and your fellows want to start that war of freedom please feel free to start, the rest of us Americans are waiting for ya.
First of all I did pen this myself! The only thing that was not pen by me was the thomas jefferson quote at the end and I think everyone at this points knows a thomas jefferson quote when they SEE ONE if not clearly again they are the uninformed idiots in this country! If your going to comment something have the facts again your part of the problem which is uniformed americas who vote for control of others see the original message. Also I didnt say anything about an armed rebellion thomas jefferson quote does suggest it in order to deal with the idiots who vote for more government solutions and the destruction of public liberty.

The question I ask is anything legal when whe government no longer follows the constitution and breaks its own laws! When the 4th amendment is now the presidents power over your life. The only traitors are those elected bodies who started a war on its own citizens against the bill of rights and eroding the founding princples of our liberty. I know you wont answer that question because like many people who ignore these things always revert to the usual respones and ignore the subject completely.
Again America is done because the people have started the WELL KNOWN FACT THAT IN ALL DEMOCRACY style countries they VOTE for more FREE STUFF and elected people do the same and destory all fiscal and military responsiblity. America will have to be rebuild soon because the dictactorship that is soon to follow is because of the destruction of our economy, followed by marshal law. We have a great economy collaspe coming and your acting like this 15 trillion debt is normal, like this is not a threat to liberty, that patriot act, never ending wars are not a threat to the liberties at home and some how the idea that rebuilding the GOVERNMENT is not part of way we created it in the first place. You make it seem like everything is just fine nothing see or worry about, maybe just giving the government more power is your solution but once it has that power HOW WILL YOU RESTORE IT TO THE PEOPLE. With voting for the same people who give you more government power? I say again the UNIFORMED MASSES WHO LOVE GOVERNMENT WILL DESTORY every individuals liberty in this country soon enough.

Why not just tax every "rich person" 100% of their income and as long as the lower classes voted for it I guess that makes it normal, free and elected idiots in washington who are playing social and economic dictators over our lives and making sure voting for the US Treasury purse is up for graps. Why work when I can vote myself free money, free house, free education, free stuff and be taken care of from craddle to grave. Why work, why do anything if I can get the government elected that will USE FORCE only EVERYONE ELSE to give me WHAT I WANT! This is your vision of the America soon to come, and I am not interested in having that kind of life for me or my family that is why with every turn of events the 2nd amendment and 1st amendment are the HARDEST thing control freaks have a hard time with!

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Old 03-28-2012, 10:51 AM
 
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Liberty, Canada is to the North, Mexico is to the south. Anyone who advocates an armed coup needs to leave.
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Old 03-28-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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That's pretty funny, a rant with repeated references to "the idiots" but the ranter thinks there is something called mashal law.



Viva Marshall Law!
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Old 03-28-2012, 11:11 AM
 
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That's pretty funny, a rant with repeated references to "the idiots" but the ranter thinks there is something called mashal law.



Viva Marshall Law!

HAHA, maybe mashal law is Massachusetts law. You know they keep their cah keys in their kahakis, and shoot shahks in the haaaba.
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Old 03-28-2012, 11:49 AM
 
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It is just such a weird thing, when one feels the only way to get a message across is to refer to people who don't agree with you as idiots and traitors then make the usual threats of impending doom.
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Old 03-28-2012, 12:33 PM
 
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First of all I did pen this myself! The only thing that was not pen by me was the thomas jefferson quote at the end and I think everyone at this points knows a thomas jefferson quote when they SEE ONE if not clearly again they are the uninformed idiots in this country! If your going to comment something have the facts again your part of the problem which is uniformed americas who vote for control of others see the original message. Also I didnt say anything about an armed rebellion thomas jefferson quote does suggest it in order to deal with the idiots who vote for more government solutions and the destruction of public liberty.
You might want to re-read your own post, since it is obvious that, Yes, you did advocate armed revolution.

The question I ask is anything legal when whe government no longer follows the constitution and breaks its own laws! When the 4th amendment is now the presidents power over your life. The only traitors are those elected bodies who started a war on its own citizens against the bill of rights and eroding the founding princples of our liberty. I know you wont answer that question because like many people who ignore these things always revert to the usual respones and ignore the subject completely.
I have my concerns when it comes to some of the latest moves by the govenment. But so far, IMO, I have not seen them use them in a way that affects law abiding citizens. When and If they do, then we as Americans will have something to discuss further and maybe deal with, until then I will leave the speculating to those that find it a good use of their time.
Again America is done because the people have started the WELL KNOWN FACT THAT IN ALL DEMOCRACY style countries they VOTE for more FREE STUFF and elected people do the same and destory all fiscal and military responsiblity. America will have to be rebuild soon because the dictactorship that is soon to follow is because of the destruction of our economy, followed by marshal law. We have a great economy collaspe coming and your acting like this 15 trillion debt is normal, like this is not a threat to liberty, that patriot act, never ending wars are not a threat to the liberties at home and some how the idea that rebuilding the GOVERNMENT is not part of way we created it in the first place. You make it seem like everything is just fine nothing see or worry about, maybe just giving the government more power is your solution but once it has that power HOW WILL YOU RESTORE IT TO THE PEOPLE. With voting for the same people who give you more government power? I say again the UNIFORMED MASSES WHO LOVE GOVERNMENT WILL DESTORY every individuals liberty in this country soon enough.
Wow! What more free stuff are we being promised? I see the Republicans wanting to cut the stuff THEY don't like but I see neither side saying they will add more free stuff. FYI I get Nothing from the government that my tax dollars do not pay for, you know good highways, regulations to ensure that busnesses do not trun the Nation into a toxic waste dump and on and on, I use NO social welfare programs but I am glad those that need it can get some help. Is the government perfect, heck no, but the answer is not to throw the baby out with the bath water, the answer is to reform it, something that can be done if the American People push for it. Issues such as the National debt can be dealt with and yes cuts will have to be made, BUT before we make cuts we remove waste first, waste such as Paul has stated he is against such as ending the welfare tit for countries around the world. The People already have control, because you do not agree with what they want does not equate to dictatorship or martial law (too ludicrous to even discuss further). Where have I, or anyone else here for that matter, ever said our system is perfect? Typical of some to make such statements, we simply disagree on the solution, you believe it is to tear the house down and rebuild it and I believe it can be refurbished so that it works more efficently. You vote for who want and othes will do the same, then we ALL live with the results, that is the way it works in the USA, if you don't like that method too bad, move to someplace that fits your idea of utopia, good luck with that, I have been around the world and can tell you that it does not exist, but don't take my word for it, go look, or just go, either way works for me.
Why not just tax every "rich person" 100% of their income and as long as the lower classes voted for it I guess that makes it normal, free and elected idiots in washington who are playing social and economic dictators over our lives and making sure voting for the US Treasury purse is up for graps. Why work when I can vote myself free money, free house, free education, free stuff and be taken care of from craddle to grave. Why work, why do anything if I can get the government elected that will USE FORCE only EVERYONE ELSE to give me WHAT I WANT! This is your vision of the America soon to come, and I am not interested in having that kind of life for me or my family that is why with every turn of events the 2nd amendment and 1st amendment are the HARDEST thing control freaks have a hard time with!
More assuming on YOUR part. I am not for taxing the rich to death, in fact if you had ever paid the least bit of attention to what I have always posted on the topic you would know that I want the current tax system overhauled and either a flat or consumption tax installed instead, one that is fair to ALL AMERICANS. FYI every study on the matter says that either system would bring in more revenue and cost us less. I work, have done so for over 43 years, everyone I know works for a living or is retired or going to school. Funny how some always go to the rant about so many simply living off the government, yet the few people I know that have drawn assistance did so for a short period of time until they could get back on their own feet, that is what social programs are intended for. Are there some that abuse the system, sure, reform would weed them out, reform, not abolishment, the difference between us. The USA is not coming to an end anytime soon, funny I have been hear the same claim since the fifties, psssst, we are still here and the economy is improving monthly, whether you want it to or not. As we can see you have no clue what my vision for America is, let me help ya a little, it would be a place were we are all taxed fairly and as little as possible, the government stays out of our personal lives, the air, water and earth are clean and the environment is healthy, those citizens that need a helping hand can get it, all citizens no matter their color or sexual orentation enjoy the same rights and freedoms that most other Americans enjoy, those that need medical treatment can get it, we have the best education system in the world, we have a strong military to defend this Nation for ALL threats and we have a government that governs based on the will and needs of the Nation. I could add more but that seems fairly basic.
You can go back to calling everyone that disagrees with you a war monger and you can go back to calling for a revolution, do you see the irony, I doubt it. But back to my orginal post, I consider anyone that calls for the overthrow of our government a Traitor, and I have nothing further to say to or read from you now or in the future, it is on to the Ignore list for you, be thankful we are not in the same room.
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Old 03-28-2012, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It's kind of funny when the people who rabidly claim to love America the most, and everyone who doen't like it to get the hell out, are often are the first to throw epic tantrums and champion murdering all those who disagree in the country the love till their violence overwhelms the opposition.

I expect that in a murderous dictator, not a lover of the democratic process.
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