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Old 04-01-2012, 05:09 PM
 
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[STATISTICIAN NEEDED!] Voting anomalies in Alabama ... nothing subtle about this one | Peace . Gold . Liberty | Ron Paul 2012
Vote Integrity: (Huge) delegate vote anomaly in Alabama verified
Poll: Anybody interested in some confusing information from Alabama? - Page 9





Give them a read. The information presents needs some digesting to understand and a little bit of IQ to break it down, so when the Paul haters come around to call us "tinfoil hatters", please forgive them, because they are in over their heads.
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Old 04-01-2012, 05:41 PM
 
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Yeah these happen, unfortunately, they only lead some where with a serious legal case. These can take years. Look at the 2004 election. I doubt much will come of this.

Should be investigated. Looks confusing. Not sure how AL votes, but they did use Diebold which is now part of DVS. A poster on that thread posted this.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/pal...,7453964.story

From the article.
"The incorrect reporting of vote totals which occurred in the Wellington (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/community/news/wellington?track=tax-wellington - broken link) election was caused by a mismatch between the software which generates the paper ballots and the central tally system," Singh's statement says."

mismatch?

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Old 04-01-2012, 06:23 PM
 
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I don't see it. It certainly isn't "verified" as one of the links says.

The most recent poll going into Alabama had Paul at 3%. Paul never polled above 12% and had an average polling of 6.7% -- mind you that was going down every poll leading up to election...hence the 3% on the final poll.

The Exit Poll had Paul at 5%.

The Final Popular Vote Tally had Paul at 5%.

You are basically assuming that no one would choose to vote for some Paul delegates unless you voted for Paul. You are basically assuming that some Paul supporters that wanted to vote for a winner wouldn't throw a delegate vote Paul's way. This would even explain his dwindling numbers in Alabama:"Gee I like Paul, but he has ZERO chance of winning so I'll vote for the other guy, but maybe throw a delegate his way". Even your Paul websites say the ballot is confusing and tiresome, so there is substantial error within it. I don't really see it as rock solid proof of cheating based on all the polls and Paul's position as likeable 4th place out 4 candidate...

All of the pollsters and exit pollsters would have to be in on this conspiracy.
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:32 PM
 
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Is Ron Paul still running for President?
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:36 PM
 
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I don't see it. It certainly isn't "verified" as one of the links says.

The most recent poll going into Alabama had Paul at 3%. Paul never polled above 12% and had an average polling of 6.7% -- mind you that was going down every poll leading up to election...hence the 3% on the final poll.

The Exit Poll had Paul at 5%.

The Final Popular Vote Tally had Paul at 5%.

You are basically assuming that no one would choose to vote for some Paul delegates unless you voted for Paul. You are basically assuming that some Paul supporters that wanted to vote for a winner wouldn't throw a delegate vote Paul's way. This would even explain his dwindling numbers in Alabama:"Gee I like Paul, but he has ZERO chance of winning so I'll vote for the other guy, but maybe throw a delegate his way". Even your Paul websites say the ballot is confusing and tiresome, so there is substantial error within it. I don't really see it as rock solid proof of cheating based on all the polls and Paul's position as likeable 4th place out 4 candidate...

All of the pollsters and exit pollsters would have to be in on this conspiracy.
It said anomaly verified. Exit polls, really don't validate. They can be useful, if transparent, accountable and independent. The polling we have isn't designed as an accuracy gauge for voting fraud. There have been many issues documented with the polls, who also use computers. Regardless, they should try to track down the anomalies.
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:56 PM
 
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It said anomaly verified. Exit polls, really don't validate. They can be useful, if transparent, accountable and independent. The polling we have isn't designed as an accuracy gauge for voting fraud. There have been many issues documented with the polls, who also use computers. Regardless, they should try to track down the anomalies.
In addition to what I said we are taking a lot for granted. Including those numbers being accurate - remember those are the same websites that were arguing that student IDs are proof of residency and the right to vote.

Another factor that those Ron Paul supporters ignore is huge.....

Ron Paul had a ton of delegates running all over. He is outstanding at getting all of his ducks in a row. Ron Paul is logistically sound. Newt and Santorum are not.

Imagine you are a Santorum voter.....you can vote for him....but he doesn't have the proper paper work to have a delegate in your sector. You know the polls have Santorum-Newt-Romney running in a 3 way dead heat. So you can vote for Santorum, but you can't vote for your Santorum delegate...do you vote for a Newt or Romney delegate running in a 3 way dead heat with your guy.....or the likeable guy running in 4th place?


The fact that the polls and exit polls are in line with the real votes says a lot.
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:03 PM
 
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I don't see it. It certainly isn't "verified" as one of the links says.

The most recent poll going into Alabama had Paul at 3%. Paul never polled above 12% and had an average polling of 6.7% -- mind you that was going down every poll leading up to election...hence the 3% on the final poll.

The Exit Poll had Paul at 5%.

The Final Popular Vote Tally had Paul at 5%.

You are basically assuming that no one would choose to vote for some Paul delegates unless you voted for Paul. (snip)

All of the pollsters and exit pollsters would have to be in on this conspiracy.


After seeing poll after poll being altered and documented, where Paul won big time and a big media attack and blackout on Ron Paul, do you really think they are being honest now?

You are so gullible!
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:06 PM
 
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Voting anomalies in Alabama? Surely you jest.

Made me think of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama...election,_2002
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:11 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Is Ron Paul still running for President?


The second vote at the GOP Convention will let you know, if he is or not.


How about that? Will that calm your fears?
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:17 PM
 
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In addition to what I said we are taking a lot for granted. Including those numbers being accurate - remember those are the same websites that were arguing that student IDs are proof of residency and the right to vote.

Another factor that those Ron Paul supporters ignore is huge.....

Ron Paul had a ton of delegates running all over. He is outstanding at getting all of his ducks in a row. Ron Paul is logistically sound. Newt and Santorum are not.

Imagine you are a Santorum voter.....you can vote for him....but he doesn't have the proper paper work to have a delegate in your sector. You know the polls have Santorum-Newt-Romney running in a 3 way dead heat. So you can vote for Santorum, but you can't vote for your Santorum delegate...do you vote for a Newt or Romney delegate running in a 3 way dead heat with your guy.....or the likeable guy running in 4th place?


The fact that the polls and exit polls are in line with the real votes says a lot.
That site is a forum. Individuals say many different things, just like in this case. Student ID has no bearing here. Polls and "real" votes don't apply here either. If you do not have a reasonable way to attest to the accuracy of either, they don't mean anything. The fact that they seem to align doesn't even mean anything.

Did you see in 2004 where they changed the polling data to align to the vote count? In this case, if they could pinpoint the anomaly then they could try to investigate. Only something like an EVP can really be used as any kind of gauge. This isn't about a conspiracy. You either have proper ways to measure outcome or you don't. Just that simple.
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