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Old 04-04-2012, 06:44 PM
 
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I did read your post. It's just not clear to me what it had to do with my post.

People like the message that Santorum and Paul are spreading. Neither of them has any chance of winning, but that doesn't matter if you're voting for what you perceive to be your ideal candidate.

If you're a social authoritarian, you probably don't really care that Santorum defrauded PA taxpayers. Or if you do care, it's way down the list and gets forgiven because he hates all the right people and wants to interfere in all the right personal matters.

The Paulbots are a bit harder to understand. They claim to want to uphold the constitution, yet they're supporting a candidate who tried to toss out 4 of the 7 articles just so he could keep bigoted laws on the books. Still, he tells them what they want to hear.
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I did read your post. It's just not clear to me what it had to do with my post.

People like the message that Santorum and Paul are spreading. Neither of them has any chance of winning, but that doesn't matter if you're voting for what you perceive to be your ideal candidate.

If you're a social authoritarian, you probably don't really care that Santorum defrauded PA taxpayers. Or if you do care, it's way down the list and gets forgiven because he hates all the right people and wants to interfere in all the right personal matters.

The Paulbots are a bit harder to understand. They claim to want to uphold the constitution, yet they're supporting a candidate who tried to toss out 4 of the 7 articles just so he could keep bigoted laws on the books. Still, he tells them what they want to hear.
What it had to do with your post is that Santorum is hardly the person for "idealists". There hasn't been much publicity about this scam. Santorum has kept it pretty well contained, but he won't be able to do so in PA, where it was in the news for a couple of years, I believe. Young people probably don't care b/c public K-12 schools are probably the last thing on their minds at this point in their lives. They're never going to have any kids, right?
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Greater Washington, DC
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For those of you thinking Rand Paul is the voice of the next generation, why do you say that? In his 2010 Senate election, he lost young voters (though not by much) and it was his worst group:
Senate, House, Governor Races - Election Center 2010 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com
Perhaps that data cannot be extrapolated to every state in the union? And I think it wold be unfair to say that he performs poorly with that group since, even though they were his worst, he didn't do too badly. But nothing like his father.

I just don't know that there is enough leadership in the Paul movement beyond Ron Paul himself to keep it alive. It just doesn't represent a significant enough portion of the population. He's not even actually winning young voters in most states.
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:41 PM
 
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What one needs to take from the losers in this elction period is that the candidates are a sign of what the discussion i politcs is about;otherwsie none of the people would have gottewn this far. I can remmebr when no one really took Reagan seriou8dl;y as a cnadidiate or Bill Clinton fater his first trerm has governor.One only has to look at the state house mid term elections to see that the Tea party movemnt has had perhaps the most influence o politcs since the 60's.That is what movemnts do if the hit a nerve witht eh elctorate. I suggest people waqtch the senate finace committeee when they are televised on C-Span as they are not as far apart beig Democrats and republicans as refelcted in the presidential elections.They have pretty much agred that the presidentail commission needs supported even if Obama doesn't. Often a sign of chnage coming.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:06 PM
 
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What it had to do with your post is that Santorum is hardly the person for "idealists".
He is when your vision of an ideal America is one that codifies discrimination and forces extremist Christian theology on its citizens.
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:30 AM
 
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You bring up a very interesting point I hadn't considered, though it should have been obvious. Young GOP voters are more conservative because the ones that aren't left the party. Does anyone think this will actually force the GOP to the left on social issues in the long run to remain viable? (Again, don't think of whether that will happen in the next couple years; rather, over a long period of time)
The under-30 GOP vote has dwindled to mostly homeschool and bible college weirdos at this point; Santorum's war against modernity definitely makes him their guy. Romney's too old school; from a time when those sorts of things weren't discussed openly. Quiet rooms and all that.

If we're talking long-term what happens to the party remember the largest demographic segment isn't seniors but the middle aged, who also vote reliably Republican. Whites aged 30-64 made up 50% of the electorate in 2008, and McCain won them by 15%, and breaking it down did even better among whites aged 30-44. In comparison he won whites over 65 by 18%. The GOP's current demographic makeup is still large and more importantly young enough, that they likely won't be changing their positions any time soon.
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Old 04-05-2012, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Johnson City, Tn
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If it comes to Santorum vs. Obama... sorry... Santorums ideology does not set well with me. So much so that it would secure my vote for Obama just to try to keep Santorum out. I am of the 30 - 44 age range and a Dr. Paul Supporter.
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Old 04-05-2012, 10:39 AM
 
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CIRCLE » Santorum Surpasses Paul in Cumulative Youth Vote Count after Alabama and Mississippi Primaries

Similiar study, they still have Romney leading overall
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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Probably between two-thirds and three-fourths of young people are socially liberal and favor Obama. There is however a large evangelical movement in the younger generation and that could be fueling some of Santorum's support. With millennials, social issues trump everything. Most are liberal i.e. pro-gay marriage and therefore will support Obama, but those are conservative and anti-gay will support Santorum.
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Old 04-05-2012, 05:47 PM
 
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Hello, I can't believe I forgot this. The democrats are voting in the open states, I'm sure that accounts for some of it.
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