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Old 05-03-2012, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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Do you support the GOP/Ryan budget proposals that will slash SS and Medicare benefits, not for people like you of course just the younger people that have also been paying into the system for years. That is what I have a problem with - hypocritical current retirees cashing their government checks while they support plans to take those same benefits away from younger people.
I don't know enough about the Ryan budget plan to say yea or nay on it. How is it being hypocritical to reap the benefits of what you have worked for and paid into your entire adulthood? And what "same benefits" are you talking about? I've already said I have no problem with SS disability for deserving and legitimate reasons. Not with Medicaid, either. Medicare funds the End Stage Renal Disease program. I don't begrudge anyone receiving horrendously expensive life saving treatment such as dialysis on the taxpayer dime.
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Old 05-03-2012, 03:53 PM
 
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The Royal Marsden Hospital an NHS Cancer Hospital in London. The Royal Marsden and its academic partner, The Institute of Cancer Research, have discovered or developed more new anti-cancer drugs than the National Cancer Institute in the USA.

Specialist cancer doctors, surgeons and clinical staff





Some Facts about Britain's NHS

http://www.unison.org.uk/file/US_factsheet.pdf

BBC News - Why do Americans die younger than Britons?

Britons enjoy longer lives than Americans - Telegraph

BBC News - England 'healthier than the US'

England healthier than U.S.: Credit socialized medicine? - HealthPop - CBS News

Sick of my Countries Health Service being dragged through the mud by Americans who don't know what there talking about. There are numerous excellent state hospitals inthe UK such as the Royal Marsden, we even invented CT Scans and MRI.


Now watch the recent episode of BBC Horizon above about London's Royal Marsden NHS Cancer Hospital before you start commenting on a system you have no idea about.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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$695.00 to be deducted out of everyone who files with the IRS. (C-Span Supreme Court Hearings on Obamacare constitutionality) Even if a person already has insurance with a company and those that don't and usually get an IRS refund...$695.00 of the refund goes to their health care.
YOU GOT IT WRONG. The Obama healthcare law requires Americans to buy health insurance starting in 2014 or pay a penalty to the government. The penalty is the higher of a fine of $695.00 OR 2.5 percent of your income. If you have insurance, you don't have to pay.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I don't know enough about the Ryan budget plan to say yea or nay on it. How is it being hypocritical to reap the benefits of what you have worked for and paid into your entire adulthood? And what "same benefits" are you talking about? I've already said I have no problem with SS disability for deserving and legitimate reasons. Not with Medicaid, either. Medicare funds the End Stage Renal Disease program. I don't begrudge anyone receiving horrendously expensive life saving treatment such as dialysis on the taxpayer dime.
It may not be hypocritical but it is selfish. You don't want anybody touching your benefits but you are willing to throw those under the bus who didn't meet an arbitrary cut-off date.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Originally Posted by Sco View Post
Do you support the GOP/Ryan budget proposals that will slash SS and Medicare benefits, not for people like you of course just the younger people that have also been paying into the system for years. That is what I have a problem with - hypocritical current retirees cashing their government checks while they support plans to take those same benefits away from younger people.
I would think that I must be one of the people you are talking about. Let me ask you a question or two to see how much you really know. I have been paying into Medicare from day one and am still paying the same amount monthly that the working members of my family pay. That would be about 47 years I have been paying into it. Why am I so bad for taking that money when I have been paying the same amount as the rest of you have and for longer thn you have.

As far as SS is concerned I started paying into it when I was 12 and working for my uncle. That would have been in 1944 and I am still paying into that fund. Is that about 67 years? Come on and tell me how you think we can keep either of those systems going if we don't do something about them.

When I was born people were expected to live to about 65 and that is why they set the SS number at 65. Now most men are expected to live to 77 or beyond and you are howling about extending the retirement age from 65 to 68 or 70.

I have to say that all you are so excited about the Ryan plan is that you are a left leaner and a Democrat and you haven't seen Dems provide us with a suggested budget for so long and therefor have to attack Republicans for handing us a suggested budget. One would think that the Senate would at least debate one of those that come over from the House but it won't happen as long as Harry Reid is the head man.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Here's the perfect ad in response to his "Forward" slogan;


American Crossroads: Backward - YouTube

I'm thinking "forward" will go the way of the WTF (Winning the Future) slogan.
I do wonder what they picked that slogan for. I don't think they will stick with it much longer than the rest of this month, now that they haves seen what people think of it.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Ken, like me, sees something in the fact that Forward has been the slogan of several others before we even knew who Prince Barack was. Since many here haven't seen this story about those others maybe now would be a good chance to do so. I really wonder why the Obama supporters took a chance on Forward as their campaign slogan. Maybe they think they are safe and won't be seen as doing what they want to do.

***The reason Socialists always proclaim Forward! as their slogan is that they never want you to look at their record. Donít look back at the wreckage of the economy and the dangers to liberty. Just keep marching together, Forward! indeed.***

Forward to Socialism - Ken Blackwell - Townhall Conservative Columnists
Socializm is jest round ze korner. We vill all marsch in ze streets and live happily ever zafter.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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It may not be hypocritical but it is selfish. You don't want anybody touching your benefits but you are willing to throw those under the bus who didn't meet an arbitrary cut-off date.
If you agree that it isn't hypocritical, I don't get it how you think it is selfish for people who have worked their entire adult lives to want to reap the benefits of what they have paid into for decades. Like I said, we paid our dues to both Caesar and society. It sounds more to me like you and others like you are the ones willing to throw us old timers overboard since we are essentially "useless" now.

"Logan's Run" comes to mind for some reason.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:25 PM
Status: "Elect a clown? Expect a circus!" (set 5 days ago)
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Wisconsin's State Motto is "Forward". What is the problem?
Regressives prefer going backwards, ever since America started loading up on COMMUNIST made goods they just can't find a replacement bogeyman with staying power.
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Old 05-03-2012, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Ken, like me, sees something in the fact that Forward has been the slogan of several others before we even knew who Prince Barack was. Since many here haven't seen this story about those others maybe now would be a good chance to do so. I really wonder why the Obama supporters took a chance on Forward as their campaign slogan. Maybe they think they are safe and won't be seen as doing what they want to do.

***The reason Socialists always proclaim Forward! as their slogan is that they never want you to look at their record. Donít look back at the wreckage of the economy and the dangers to liberty. Just keep marching together, Forward! indeed.***

Forward to Socialism - Ken Blackwell - Townhall Conservative Columnists
Socializm is jest round ze korner. We vill all marsch in ze streets and live happily ever zafter.
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