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Old 05-07-2012, 10:10 PM
 
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It isn't in question, except in your mind. It is the history of government meddling. Like the war on poverty has done nothing but create and sustain poverty. Nothing would convince you anyway, your agenda has looked your mind closed.
Or, you know, when Social Security was implemented, it obliterated poverty in the elderly. I mean, how silly is that?

Where are my manners. I forgot to bring up time on welfare, and how social programs spit out millions per year and help them survive through tough economic times.

It's not that I wouldn't be convinced, it's just that you're completely inept.
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Old 05-07-2012, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Or, you know, when Social Security was implemented, it obliterated poverty in the elderly. I mean, how silly is that?

Where are my manners. I forgot to bring up time on welfare, and how social programs spit out millions per year and help them survive through tough economic times.

It's not that I wouldn't be convinced, it's just that you're completely inept.
Old people were young people that worked, saved, provided, and purchased assets. Why would they be impoverished? Where are their families? The more gov't provides, the less people provide for themselves and their own.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/149543/Am...ry-Dollar.aspx
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Old 05-07-2012, 10:36 PM
 
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Old people were young people that worked, saved, provided, and purchased assets. Why would they be impoverished? Where are their families? The more gov't provides, the less people provide for themselves and their own.
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Applying this estimate to the change in Social Security benefits between 1967 and 2000 suggests that the increase in benefits can explain all of the 17 percentage point decline in poverty that occurred during this period. The authors also find that higher benefits lead some elderly to live independently rather than with family members, and conclude that the effect of Social Security on poverty would have been even more dramatic in the absence of these changes in living arrangements.
Their families were enjoying themselves elsewhere. Social Security allows the elderly to live on their own when they otherwise may not have been able to do.

Didn't see the graph--are you being serious? People think income inequality is significantly less than it is (also according to a Gallup Poll) and think it should be even less than what they think it is.
The poll is interesting though. Unsurprisingly, Conservatives view the government wasting more than what others say. I'm sure Frank Luntz's spin-doctoring has nothing to do with that. (He did, after all, inform his clients to say "government waste" instead of "government spending.")

Here's an interesting bit.
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Additionally, those with more formal education estimate proportionately less federal government waste than do Americans with less education.

But, honestly, this is probably a terrible poll. They are entirely too vague in their questioning, as "dollars wasted" is highly subjective. HIGHLY subjective.
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Old 05-07-2012, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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12 Outrageous Wastes of Taxpayers’ Money
Most have heard the saying that no one takes care of a rental car like they take care of their own. Why not floor the gas pedal or track sand into the car – the reasoning goes – if you’ll never see it again after this week? In many ways, this is a perfect analogy to government waste. No matter which party is in power, spending other people’s money rarely compels one to be as prudent as if they were spending their own.
12 Outrageous Wastes of Taxpayers’ Money | Shrinkage Is Good
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Old 05-07-2012, 11:49 PM
 
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Or, you know, when Social Security was implemented, it obliterated poverty in the elderly. I mean, how silly is that?

Where are my manners. I forgot to bring up time on welfare, and how social programs spit out millions per year and help them survive through tough economic times.

It's not that I wouldn't be convinced, it's just that you're completely inept.
Self perpetuating programs that offer temporary solace in exchange for permanent enslavement. Get a clue and take the long view.
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:28 AM
 
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Self perpetuating programs that offer temporary solace in exchange for permanent enslavement. Get a clue and take the long view.
Ah yes, the permanent enslavement of being able to live independent of your family.

It's true, conservatives live in a very backwards world.
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:45 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Ah yes, the permanent enslavement of being able to live independent of your family.

It's true, conservatives live in a very backwards world.
Independent of your family, and completely dependent on taxpayers for your every need. That's not freedom. Do you really want to be depending upon this next generation to pay for your retirement, as well as pay down the debt we are heaping upon them? That is completely unrealisitc, especially with fewer children being born, the loss in value of our currency, and fewer workers per retiree. Governments only role is to protect liberty, and the Constitution's purpose is to keep gov't in check. Your responsibility is to take care of yourself and those you choose to bring into this world.
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Old 05-08-2012, 03:33 AM
 
Location: County Mayo Descendant
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Ken, like me, sees something in the fact that Forward has been the slogan of several others before we even knew who Prince Barack was. Since many here haven't seen this story about those others maybe now would be a good chance to do so. I really wonder why the Obama supporters took a chance on Forward as their campaign slogan. Maybe they think they are safe and won't be seen as doing what they want to do.

***The reason Socialists always proclaim Forward! as their slogan is that they never want you to look at their record. Don’t look back at the wreckage of the economy and the dangers to liberty. Just keep marching together, Forward! indeed.***

Forward to Socialism - Ken Blackwell - Townhall Conservative Columnists
Forward is Wisconsin's state motto

Forward was mentioned in the late 1500's

John Adams mentioned forward on July 2, 1776

Too bad the writer of the article didn't study his homework
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Old 05-08-2012, 03:36 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Backward....slogan of the current Republican Party.
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Old 05-08-2012, 03:37 AM
 
Location: County Mayo Descendant
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Backward....slogan of the current Republican Party.
I'll drink to that
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