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Old 05-02-2012, 08:23 PM
 
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Romney at pizza tycoon's home: 'Everyone should live like this' - latimes.com

Romney was speaking at a fundraiser in KY, at the home of John "Papa John" Scnatter. The press was not invited, but someone caught his remarks on a cell phone, and posted them to Youtube.

Romney gushed "Just look at this home! Look at the grounds! Look at that pool! Look at that golf course! If there was a Democrat here, he'd say no one should live like this... We Republicans say, EVERYONE should live like this!"

When Romney speaks spontaneously, we get a glimpse into his soul. It's a VERY materialistic place.

The link includes the video, if you have a strong stomach...
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Old 05-02-2012, 11:03 PM
 
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Romney at pizza tycoon's home: 'Everyone should live like this' - latimes.com

Romney was speaking at a fundraiser in KY, at the home of John "Papa John" Scnatter. The press was not invited, but someone caught his remarks on a cell phone, and posted them to Youtube.

Romney gushed "Just look at this home! Look at the grounds! Look at that pool! Look at that golf course! If there was a Democrat here, he'd say no one should live like this... We Republicans say, EVERYONE should live like this!"

When Romney speaks spontaneously, we get a glimpse into his soul. It's a VERY materialistic place.

The link includes the video, if you have a strong stomach...
I have many issues with Romney, but your accusations are quite silly. Of course people are materialistic. You don't want a good car or a nice house? What is your point really? The only reason why you might have an issue with materialism, and would advocate minimalism is if you want a socialistic society where everyone gets something, but no one gets more than anyone else. If that's what you want, don't hide behind a veneer of a fake outrage at Romney's supposed materialism, and outright profess to your jealousy with rich people and their wealth.

Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Ever heard of it? Happiness can be pursued materialistically or spiritually. It's legal. It's natural. Stop making up issues where there are none.
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Old 05-02-2012, 11:45 PM
 
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I have many issues with Romney, but your accusations are quite silly. Of course people are materialistic. You don't want a good car or a nice house? What is your point really? The only reason why you might have an issue with materialism, and would advocate minimalism is if you want a socialistic society where everyone gets something, but no one gets more than anyone else. If that's what you want, don't hide behind a veneer of a fake outrage at Romney's supposed materialism, and outright profess to your jealousy with rich people and their wealth.

Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Ever heard of it? Happiness can be pursued materialistically or spiritually. It's legal. It's natural. Stop making up issues where there are none.
Romney's values, as expressed by his equating wealth and possessions with happiness, success, and even virtue, the conflict between his professed spirituality and his rank materialism, and his (probably related) inability to grasp the reality faced by most of Americans... you think this is an issue I discovered? I'm flattered.
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Old 05-03-2012, 05:07 AM
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I have many issues with Romney, but your accusations are quite silly. Of course people are materialistic. You don't want a good car or a nice house? What is your point really? The only reason why you might have an issue with materialism, and would advocate minimalism is if you want a socialistic society where everyone gets something, but no one gets more than anyone else. If that's what you want, don't hide behind a veneer of a fake outrage at Romney's supposed materialism, and outright profess to your jealousy with rich people and their wealth.

Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Ever heard of it? Happiness can be pursued materialistically or spiritually. It's legal. It's natural. Stop making up issues where there are none.
There's a big difference between "the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil" and the misquote "money is the root of all evil".

You seem to share Romney's failure to understand that.
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:22 AM
 
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Romney gushed "Just look at this home! Look at the grounds! Look at that pool! Look at that golf course! If there was a Democrat here, he'd say no one should live like this... We Republicans say, EVERYONE should live like this!"
I don't read anything in his comments worthy of criticism. It's important to view these things in the context in which they're being made. He was amongst a group of supporters, partisans. I'm certain President Obama says things at similar fundraisers that his opponents point to similarly. If you don't like Romney then I hope you can find something other than this insignificant comment to point to as the reason.
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:35 AM
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I don't read anything in his comments worthy of criticism. It's important to view these things in the context in which they're being made. He was amongst a group of supporters, partisans. I'm certain President Obama says things at similar fundraisers that his opponents point to similarly. If you don't like Romney then I hope you can find something other than this insignificant comment to point to as the reason.

There's nothing wrong with having money but there's really nothing right with judging someone's worth as a human being by their material wealth either.

IF material wealth was a great indicator of worth as a human being then Saddam Hussein was one helluva a guy
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:58 AM
 
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I don't read anything in his comments worthy of criticism. It's important to view these things in the context in which they're being made. He was amongst a group of supporters, partisans. I'm certain President Obama says things at similar fundraisers that his opponents point to similarly. If you don't like Romney then I hope you can find something other than this insignificant comment to point to as the reason.
I guess this video of Romney speaking can serve as a kind of Rohrsach test, to see if you have a Republican or Democratic brain (science says they are different).

Romney REVEALS himself when he thinks that he's off-camera in ways he never does when on the record (except accidentally, through his numerous "gaffs"). THAT is the significance of his comments here.

If you LIKE what Mitt is saying, by all means, vote for him.

But personally, I find the public Mitt elusive and incoherent, and the few glimpses we get of the REAL Mitt kind of appalling
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:01 AM
 
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Romney at pizza tycoon's home: 'Everyone should live like this' - latimes.com

Romney was speaking at a fundraiser in KY, at the home of John "Papa John" Scnatter. The press was not invited, but someone caught his remarks on a cell phone, and posted them to Youtube.

Romney gushed "Just look at this home! Look at the grounds! Look at that pool! Look at that golf course! If there was a Democrat here, he'd say no one should live like this... We Republicans say, EVERYONE should live like this!"

When Romney speaks spontaneously, we get a glimpse into his soul. It's a VERY materialistic place.

The link includes the video, if you have a strong stomach...
People who make it In america need to be attacked? This is the best the left has
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:54 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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I guess this video of Romney speaking can serve as a kind of Rohrsach test, to see if you have a Republican or Democratic brain (science says they are different).

Romney REVEALS himself when he thinks that he's off-camera in ways he never does when on the record (except accidentally, through his numerous "gaffs"). THAT is the significance of his comments here.

If you LIKE what Mitt is saying, by all means, vote for him.

But personally, I find the public Mitt elusive and incoherent, and the few glimpses we get of the REAL Mitt kind of appalling
You seem surprised that the GOP philosophy is different from the Democratic one. Why is that? Maybe you're new to politics. Regarding revealing comments, off record: What about ones President Obama has made which his detractors point to as the "real Obama"? I agree with your comment that people should vote for candidates they like, or like what they say. No big surprise here. It's how elections are won and lost. Getting out the vote.
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Old 05-03-2012, 09:28 AM
 
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Romney's values, as expressed by his equating wealth and possessions with happiness, success, and even virtue, the conflict between his professed spirituality and his rank materialism, and his (probably related) inability to grasp the reality faced by most of Americans... you think this is an issue I discovered? I'm flattered.
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There's a big difference between "the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil" and the misquote "money is the root of all evil".

You seem to share Romney's failure to understand that.
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There's nothing wrong with having money but there's really nothing right with judging someone's worth as a human being by their material wealth either.

IF material wealth was a great indicator of worth as a human being then Saddam Hussein was one helluva a guy
These comments just stink of jealously at anyone with wealth. "If I am not wealthy, no one else should be either" mentality. You automatically assume that if anyone else attains wealth, that wealth was automatically stolen from you and others. Not always so.

Like Ron Paul always points out - rich can be classified into two groups - one who benefits because they bribe the politicians and influence laws in their favor, and the other who make and sell a product which the people buy, thus making them rich. Romney probably belongs in the former group rather than the latter, but you are attacking any sort of affinity towards materialism, and that's just WRONG.

Everyone is materialistic. When you buy a shirt you like, you are being materialistic. When you enjoy a beer you like, you are being materialistic. That's part and parcel of who we are as human beings. To not be materialistic at all would mean you should be meditating in a cave, which obviously you are not, so you are also being hypocritical. And materialism does bring happiness. But it's not a barometer of how good or bad a person is. I wouldn't say that, and you can't say that Romney said that either, unless you are too prejudiced to start with and only looking to read between the lines. Romney did not say that the pizza tycoon was a good human being, which would have been stupid if he said so.

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I guess this video of Romney speaking can serve as a kind of Rohrsach test, to see if you have a Republican or Democratic brain (science says they are different).

Romney REVEALS himself when he thinks that he's off-camera in ways he never does when on the record (except accidentally, through his numerous "gaffs"). THAT is the significance of his comments here.

If you LIKE what Mitt is saying, by all means, vote for him.

But personally, I find the public Mitt elusive and incoherent, and the few glimpses we get of the REAL Mitt kind of appalling
Defending a person against false accusations doesn't necessarily mean that I am voting for him. Voting for a person doesn't absolve the person from criticisms either.

You can find a 100 things wrong with Mitt and a lot of times I have posted here myself as to how he is out of touch with commoners. I am VERY SPECIFICALLY saying that he said nothing wrong in THIS video, and that you are pulling stuff out of your ass to perpetuate the meme that Mitt is out of touch. If you must push that meme, do it with valid cases, not with frivolous ones like this.
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