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Old 05-06-2012, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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We get electrical bills in Canada. There is a little section where they bill you a few bucks. It's called "debt retirement" or paying down the debt..They never tell you who this debt is owed, or how much the actual debt is- or when they expect it to be paid off. I am suspect of the phrase pay down the debt, whether it is government or the private sector chanting the debt mantra...it is a form of gouging- theft- there is no end to it...so I don't want to hear about it- A debt by definition is something that can be paid and be done with------------no such thing in today's world.
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Old 05-06-2012, 04:05 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Cool Obama on Campaign Trail - Pay Down The Debt by Ending Iraq War?

To be honest, I much preferred the late 2002 GOP claim that "Proceeds from the sale of Iraq's oil will pay for the war."

Of course, that wasn't part of a political campaign. That was part of the Bush/Cheney campaign of disinformation to manufacture public support for their invasion of Iraq.

I won't even mention WMDs and mushroom clouds over American cities.
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Old 05-06-2012, 04:49 PM
 
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To be honest, I much preferred the late 2002 GOP claim that "Proceeds from the sale of Iraq's oil will pay for the war."

Of course, that wasn't part of a political campaign. That was part of the Bush/Cheney campaign of disinformation to manufacture public support for their invasion of Iraq.

I won't even mention WMDs and mushroom clouds over American cities.

Could you please provide a link?

The only Republican I could find making a comment was that oil would pay to rebuild Iraq.

I would like you to provide some links to elected Republicans that made such a claim that Iraq's oil would pay for the US to wage the war. Unless you would like to distinguish funding the war and rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure.

Rove Falsely Claims Bush Administration Never Said Iraqi Oil Revenue Would Help Pay For War | ThinkProgress
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Old 05-06-2012, 04:54 PM
 
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The republicans aren't serious about fixing the debt issue, that's for sure. It requires them to stop their insane spending on give a ways to the rich and their corporate cronies, along with stopping the warmongering, both are what got the nation into the mess it's in today.

Ryan like most on the far right want to attack seniors and the poor to take a tiny slice out of the debt, but absolutely refuse to cut a single penny of their own outrageous spending. That's why he was getting massive backlash.
Yes, Republicans want to "attack" seniors. Any other strawman arguments?

I suppose Obama is attacking seniors by lowering the payroll tax so that social security is weakened?
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Old 05-06-2012, 05:03 PM
 
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obama is counting on the pure ignorance of the American voter to buy his CRAP once again. And no doubt....as we cdertainly see many of the members of this board swallow with GLEE everything he spoons out....he will be able to count MILLIONS of votes on his tally sheet with his line of BS.
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Old 05-06-2012, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Looks like some silly people bought the equally silly campaign ad showing Ryan pushing little old ladies off cliffs.

And they wonder why we laugh at them.
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Old 05-06-2012, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Fargo, ND
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The republicans aren't serious about fixing the debt issue, that's for sure. It requires them to stop their insane spending on give a ways to the rich and their corporate cronies, along with stopping the warmongering, both are what got the nation into the mess it's in today.

Ryan like most on the far right want to attack seniors and the poor to take a tiny slice out of the debt, but absolutely refuse to cut a single penny of their own outrageous spending. That's why he was getting massive backlash.
Ryan isn't attacking anyone, he is throwing out an idea to fix the mess we are in. The only one getting attacked is him by Dems who love to demagogue anyone who dare tries to reform anything to do with their scared cow entitlement programs.
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Old 05-06-2012, 06:01 PM
 
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Ryan isn't attacking anyone, he is throwing out an idea to fix the mess we are in. The only one getting attacked is him by Dems who love to demagogue anyone who dare tries to reform anything to do with their scared cow entitlement programs.
Ryan's plan is an extreme right piece of garbage. It calls for destroying medicare, medicaid, social security and other plans, while increasing the already over-bloated military spending and handouts to the rich. Hell it's so far right, the GOP themselves shot it down earlier this year.
Also keep in mind the backlash was mainly from his own supporters. Just do a quick youtube search and you can see all across the nation he, and other teabaggers like rick scott were getting boo'ed out of town hall meetings because of it.
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Old 05-06-2012, 06:27 PM
 
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Ryan's plan is an extreme right piece of garbage. It calls for destroying medicare, medicaid, social security and other plans, while increasing the already over-bloated military spending and handouts to the rich. Hell it's so far right, the GOP themselves shot it down earlier this year.
Also keep in mind the backlash was mainly from his own supporters. Just do a quick youtube search and you can see all across the nation he, and other teabaggers like rick scott were getting boo'ed out of town hall meetings because of it.
Social Security will die without a fix.

Okay, let's see the Obama's plan? Wait, you mean it is so far left it couldn't get a vote? The Democratically controlled Senate hasn't passed a single budget, at least the Republican controlled House has...only to have it dead on arrival to the do nothing Senate.

Yes we can kick the can down the road!
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Old 05-06-2012, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Fargo, ND
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Ryan's plan is an extreme right piece of garbage. It calls for destroying medicare, medicaid, social security and other plans, while increasing the already over-bloated military spending and handouts to the rich. Hell it's so far right, the GOP themselves shot it down earlier this year.
Also keep in mind the backlash was mainly from his own supporters. Just do a quick youtube search and you can see all across the nation he, and other teabaggers like rick scott were getting boo'ed out of town hall meetings because of it.
If Ryan's plan is so bad it should be easy for the Dems to come up with a plan that is viable and well liked. So what's stopping them?

What's it been? Three years since the Democratic controlled Senate has even passed a budget. At least Ryan has the courage to throw something out there that offers some real reform.
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