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Old 05-15-2012, 08:40 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Another fail.
Ultimate freedom is anarchy- each person out for himself only, with no regard for the general welfare. Some essential rules are a necessary thing for a thriving representative democracy.
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Previously:


Now:


Hypocrisy much?


You forget about another thing that keeps freedom in check....


Consequences of our actions... Good or bad.

Look past your noses, every now & then.
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Old 05-16-2012, 06:44 AM
 
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You forget about another thing that keeps freedom in check....


Consequences of our actions... Good or bad.

Look past your noses, every now & then.
Translation:

I really have no response to it being clearly demonstrated I'm only for following the rules when it benefits my team, so I'll make some general completely unrelated statement about looking forward.
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:56 AM
 
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I really have no response to it being clearly demonstrated I'm only for following the rules when it benefits my team, so I'll make some general completely unrelated statement about looking forward.


Troll!


Rules are for bought & paid slaves, that have no choice.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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You forget about another thing that keeps freedom in check....


Consequences of our actions... Good or bad.

Look past your noses, every now & then.
In anarchy, there are no consequences. Anarchy, a state of complete individual liberty, allows each individual to act as he wants. As a result, there are no societal or legal restrictions on behavior, and no restrictions means there are no accompanying laws to keep the worst elements of humanity in check for the common good.

Therefore, no consequences at all. The good is not rewarded and the bad is not punished by an anarchic society. Each individual's personal standards, no matter how wicked or noble they are, are his alone and have no more standing than any other individual.

Look past your noses, every now & then.
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Old 05-16-2012, 01:30 PM
 
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In anarchy, there are no consequences. Anarchy, a state of complete individual liberty, allows each individual to act as he wants. As a result, there are no societal or legal restrictions on behavior, and no restrictions means there are no accompanying laws to keep the worst elements of humanity in check for the common good.

Therefore, no consequences at all. The good is not rewarded and the bad is not punished.

Look past your noses, every now & then.
If this is so, then Anarchy by definition does not exist. Consequences always exist. There is never cause without effect.
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Old 05-16-2012, 06:26 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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In anarchy, there are no consequences. Anarchy, a state of complete individual liberty, allows each individual to act as he wants. As a result, there are no societal or legal restrictions on behavior, and no restrictions means there are no accompanying laws to keep the worst elements of humanity in check for the common good.

Therefore, no consequences at all. The good is not rewarded and the bad is not punished by an anarchic society. Each individual's personal standards, no matter how wicked or noble they are, are his alone and have no more standing than any other individual.

Look past your noses, every now & then.


Who brought up Anarchy?
Must be on your mind?


I'm talking about freedom, not violence.
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Old 05-16-2012, 06:31 PM
 
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Who brought up Anarchy?
Must be on your mind?


I'm talking about freedom, not violence.
BanjoMike is right, you brought up anarchy when you said:

"Freedom is a crazy thing, where rules don't apply. Freedom has no rules."
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Old 05-16-2012, 06:41 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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BanjoMike is right, you brought up anarchy when you said:

"Freedom is a crazy thing, where rules don't apply. Freedom has no rules."



Who is trying to redefine anarchy, as freedom and freedom as anarchy?


Anarachy is violent

an·ar·chy
[ ánnərkee ]

  1. chaotic situation: a situation in which there is a total lack of organization or control
  2. lack of government: the absence of any formal system of government in a society




Freedom has choices


free·dom
[ frdəm ]

  1. ability to act freely: a state in which somebody is able to act and live as he or she chooses, without being subject to any undue restraints or restrictions
  2. release from captivity or slavery: release or rescue from being physically bound, or from being confined, enslaved, captured, or imprisoned
  3. country's right to self-rule: a country's right to rule itself, without interference from, or domination by, another country or power
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Old 05-17-2012, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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If this is so, then Anarchy by definition does not exist. Consequences always exist. There is never cause without effect.
Only individual consequences, not societal consequences. As often as not, any consequences in anarchy land on those who didn't cause the action. In anarchy, it all depends on the individual's ability to assert actions on others or not. It is one big mud puddle for all in it, and no one climbs out clean.

And we all know people who never think about consequences at all.
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Old 05-17-2012, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Who is trying to redefine anarchy, as freedom and freedom as anarchy?


Anarachy is violent

an·ar·chy
[ ánnərkee ]

  1. chaotic situation: a situation in which there is a total lack of organization or control
  2. lack of government: the absence of any formal system of government in a society


Freedom has choices


free·dom
[ frdəm ]

  1. ability to act freely: a state in which somebody is able to act and live as he or she chooses, without being subject to any undue restraints or restrictions
  2. release from captivity or slavery: release or rescue from being physically bound, or from being confined, enslaved, captured, or imprisoned
  3. country's right to self-rule: a country's right to rule itself, without interference from, or domination by, another country or power
Anarcy is not inherently violent. Nor is liberty inherently peaceful.

This is just deflection. In both, everyone is free to do as they please, socially.

In civic terms, anarchy can fill the same description as the one you mentioned. If everyone shares the same values, an anarchic country can rule itself, and does not enslave or bind anyone.

The problem, Bent, is you haven't learned anything about anarchy. Just like the idea of total liberty or communism, it is a utopian belief in the essential nobility of the common man. History and common sense tell us that all humans are not all noble and only live to serve others. It's a beautiful thought, but it's not true.
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