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Old 05-12-2012, 09:12 PM
 
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Poll: Obama leads Romney in Michigan; more voters support same-sex marriage | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com

Obama leads Romney by 5, 45% to 40.....with 15% undecided. For an incumbent well under 50%...that is good news.....for Mitt.

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Regardless of female support, Obama's overall support in Michigan is well below 50 percent. As an incumbent, Czuba said, that indicates the Democrat-leaning state may be in play come November
He leads with women by 12 points...not an insurmountable number.

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

In 2008, obama won MI women by......22 points.

Obviously, there is a LOT of undecided MI voters.....waiting to see and hear from Mitt.

They already KNOW the incumbent and obviously don't care too much for him as it stands.

Obama won MI in 2008 57%-41%.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:13 PM
 
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Obama's approval among undecided voters in most of these polls is ~20% (or less).
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:15 PM
 
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Obama's approval among undecided voters in most of these polls is ~20% (or less).
Usually the undecideds break for the challenger.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:17 PM
 
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Poll: Obama leads Romney in Michigan; more voters support same-sex marriage | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com

Obama leads Romney by 5, 45% to 40.....with 15% undecided. For an incumbent well under 50%...that is good news.....for Mitt.



He leads with women by 12 points...not an insurmountable number.

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

In 2008, obama won MI women by......22 points.

Obviously, there is a LOT of undecided MI voters.....waiting to see and hear from Mitt.

They already KNOW the incumbent and obviously don't care too much for him as it stands.

Obama won MI in 2008 57%-41%.
Obama's gay marriage stance coupled with his poor performance will put a lot of states in play.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:17 PM
 
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Usually the undecideds break for the challenger.
I know. This is why - given that MI is typically considered at least a Democratic-leaning state and not a swing state - I think this poll is bad news for Obama and good news for Romney (though I worry a lot about third party candidates).

This is not the only recent poll in Michigan that has shown that it could be competitive.

In this one Obama was up only by 4, with 10% undecided:

Poll: Obama leads among Michigan voters, but Romney closing the gap | MLive.com

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Old 05-12-2012, 09:19 PM
 
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Undecided voters tend to ultimately vote for the non-incumbent in very high numbers. That's why I think these swing states are much more in play for Romney than polls suggest. I don't know why I should spend time trying to convince the left that Romney could very well pull this election off (and I think is odds are increasing by the day), I should just let them get complacent
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:27 PM
 
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I know. This is why - given that MI is not a swing state - I think this poll is bad news for Obama and good news for Romney (though I worry a lot about third party candidates).

This is not the only recent poll in Michigan that has shown that it could be competitive.

In this one Obama was up only by 4, with 10% undecided:

Poll: Obama leads among Michigan voters, but Romney closing the gap | MLive.com
It's hard to say to what extent "home-state advantage" is at play, but as I said during the primaries there are just not that many voters in Michigan old enough to have been following politics at the time of the Romney governorship, and that wasn't even Mitt himself as governor, it was his dad. Mitt left the state once he turned 18 and didn't go back
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:34 PM
 
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Undecided voters tend to ultimately vote for the non-incumbent in very high numbers. That's why I think these swing states are much more in play for Romney than polls suggest. I don't know why I should spend time trying to convince the left that Romney could very well pull this election off (and I think is odds are increasing by the day), I should just let them get complacent
And don't forget, we must always look at the party ID numbers to gauge if the pollsters are fudging the numbers in obama's favor to make it look like he has more support than he actually does.

This poll does not have the party ID number they used, which is suspicious, which probably means the survey is skewed toward the democrats, which means Romney is doing better than this shows.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:57 PM
 
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Found it!

http://www.clickondetroit.com/blob/v...cal-survey.pdf

9 point advantage to democrats.

Remember, MI went RED in 2010, controlled by the GOP.
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:58 PM
 
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Found it!

http://www.clickondetroit.com/blob/v...cal-survey.pdf

9 point advantage to democrats.

Remember, MI went RED in 2010, controlled by the GOP.
Yes, they went Red in 2010, but the 9-point party ID advantage for the Democrats is probably about right for Michigan.

I'm very happy about this poll and I think it - when you also consider other polling - does indicate that MI is at least somewhat in play, but I wouldn't say that a 9-point party ID advantage for the Democrats in MI is too large at all.
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