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Old 05-13-2012, 06:29 PM
 
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No election that has taken place in my lifetime (45 years) has ever been near as crucial as the one we're about to experience. The most radical, left-wing president this country has ever seen is up against Mitt Romney.
FDR is going up against Mitt Romney?
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:32 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Yes, it's the most important in my lifetime (I'm 67). Carter/Reagan held that honor until now.

It's true that Obama has swung toward the middle, and Romney is as middle as they come, but based only on business experience, Romney is the only viable choice. Obama is like a ghetto escapee with a stolen blank check.
Considering that President Obama is not from the ghetto, I wonder what this comment is referring to?

Again, Republicans wonder why more Black Americans do not vote GOP.
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:38 PM
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FDR is going up against Mitt Romney?
I suppose you've forgotten what kind of person Barry is.
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:42 PM
 
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Considering that President Obama is not from the ghetto, I wonder what this comment is referring to?

Again, Republicans wonder why more Black americans do not vote GOP.

No...you collectively just refuse to vote for white people. You guys are just as racist as anyone else....the only difference being that you're able to get away with it.

In 2008, black voters went to the polling booths in record numbers, substantially higher numbers than at any time in history. Coincidence? I think not.

Some day I would love to see a white Democrat running against a black Republican, such as a Colin Powell or Herman Cain. The entire African-american communities heads would literally explode over that decision.
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:44 PM
 
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At the top of the ticket it's tweedle-dee tweedle-dum as usual in US elections. Both are mainstream moderates. The concern with this one is whether Romney will be able to keep the Christian right and the tea party knuckleheads under his control or whether he will capitulate to their draconian agenda and set us back 80 years socially and economically. I don't think he can pull it off. Boehner can't and he is a skilled and experienced politico. That's why my vote goes for Obama this time. If there were some certainty that the Senate would remain Democrat, I might take a chance on Romney, because he does have some ideas I like and the Dems would work with him. I'm not taking the chance, though. There is too much at stake for average people like me.
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:44 PM
 
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or Herman Cain.
Aww. You killed it there.
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:56 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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No...you collectively just refuse to vote for white people. You guys are just as racist as anyone else....the only difference being that you're able to get away with it.

In 2008, black voters went to the polling booths in record numbers, substantially higher numbers than at any time in history. Coincidence? I think not.

Some day I would love to see a white Democrat running against a black Republican, such as a Colin Powell or Herman Cain. The entire African-american communities heads would literally explode over that decision.
You, my friend, are very wrong.

If President Obama was (100%) White and Mitt Romney was Black....I would vote for President Obama.

If President Obama was running against Condoleeza Rice...I would vote for President Obama.

If President Obama was (100%) White and running against Herman Cain...I would vote for President Obama.

I will also add that there are MANY Black Americans who are quite conservative. Some of the most conservative things one would ever hear are said around the Sunday dinner table of upper middle class Blacks. But what stops many of those Black Americans from voting Republican are the general attitudes (and oft times overt bigotry and prejudices) expressed by many Republican voters (not ALL but far too many).

There were two of my ancestors who ran for office as Republicans during Reconstruction but those were definitely different times and the Republican party of the 1870s is not what it is today in relation to Black Americans. It is quite distastelful (and insulting) for Republicans of today to continually mention "entitlements" and "Blacks" and still expect Black Americans to vote for a party who outwardly disdains us.
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:57 PM
 
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Every election is always hyped up about being the most important election ever. This will get the same hype. Is it true though? To me Romney and Obama are too similar to each other for me to buy that rhetoric.

You have essentially two moderates facing off.
No. It is not important at all because the 2 candidates are essentially the same.
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Old 05-13-2012, 07:07 PM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Every election is always hyped up about being the most important election ever. This will get the same hype. Is it true though? To me Romney and Obama are too similar to each other for me to buy that rhetoric.

You have essentially two moderates facing off.
Agreed.

The US ruling class has no intention of reforming or even changing the current economic policy framework (drain the economy on US soil to surge global power of US elite).

Neither of the mainstream candidates even addresses monetary policy reform, and they differ marginally on the outskirts of fiscal policy.

The rest is red-herring crap, which apparently the average voter loves to eat up.

I am concerned, however, if one party both holds the presidency and dominates Congress (majority in House, 60 or more Senators).

Hold your breath for four more years and ...

Good Luck!

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Old 05-13-2012, 07:16 PM
 
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Every election is always hyped up about being the most important election ever. This will get the same hype. Is it true though? To me Romney and Obama are too similar to each other for me to buy that rhetoric.

You have essentially two moderates facing off.
Yes, I think this is more important than Reagan vs Carter.

If Obama is re-elected, it means the fiscal death of the US, such that debt will be $24 trillion when he leaves office. With GDP at $14 trillion, we will be in a "death spiral" in which we will have higher and higher percentage of federal revenues simply to service the debt. What will happen as a result?

1. The Union remains intact and we have hyperinflation and or marked currency devaluation. For those who say it will not happen, as it not happened yet, you are simply ignoring economic realities. It is analagous to saying that the Titanic will not sink, as it not happened yet. What does this mean? Those most vunerable will be hurt the most. The poor and elderly will be left destitute, as there will be no money for a social "safety net". The middle class will be destroyed and only the "rich" will be left not unscathed, but still standing. This is the society and result I believe Obama wants, in which a small group of individuals preside over a peasant, "serf class" of citizens. Why this? It removes the US as an impediment to a world government and allows that socialist dream to continue.

2. States which have resources break away from union and form different entities, thus removing themselves from the debt burden of the US. This would allow the fiscal solvency of regions of the US and to essentially "start over", in which politically and fiscally similar peoples would form separate governments. I would imagine that there would be three to four different new states that would emerge. This, of course, would create short term financial chaos around the globe, but would "divorce" the wider and wider economic and ideological gap that has arisen among conservative americans, seeking a perpetuation of a free, capitalistic society, and those wanting to live under a more authoritarian, socialist society.


Let's hope that Romney will actually make an effort to stem the tide of Obama's actions and restore fiscal sanity to the US. In spite of the liberal media trying to convince us that Obama has a chance, I do believe he has little, if any chance of being elected. Want to know why? Ask an independent (a true independent, not a liberal saying that they are an independent) and see if they will vote for Obama again. MOST say, "no"- without the independents, Obama loses in a landslide. There are only so many electoral votes that the west coast, the Lake Michigan states, and New England can generate.
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