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Originally Posted by Frozenyo
a religion that for all intents and purposes says the entire envangelical version is a lie...
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Originally Posted by stillkit
I don't suppose you'd care to prove that statement, would you?
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that's not quite what we believe. we believe that we are the authorized church of Christ, and that we therefore have the rights of the priesthood and the guidance of authorized prophets. understandably, we believe that the rest of the churches don't have the priesthood or prophets, but they are not so easily dismissed as being a lie. they have much truth, but not all of it.
but even then, we don't believe that
we have all of it either––not yet, anyway. we believe that God is revealing the gospel to us in steps, as indicated in the bible, and that therefore we still have a lot to learn, but that we are closer than other religions. we even celebrate the lives and teachings of the great reformers, because without them, the world never would have been in a position for the restoration of what we believe to be Christ's true church.
now, that is what the church teaches. what some members currently teach, and what some of the church leaders have taught in the past is a little more harsh, and even the book of mormon compares the other churches to the "***** of all the earth," which i can certainly understand to be insulting. but the central idea is that there is one church that is authorized and guided by prophets, and one church that will
eventually be given the whole truth even though it doesn't currently have it, and the rest of the churches, inflammatory language aside, will be severely limited in their capacity to teach about and bring people to Christ.
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Originally Posted by box_of_zip_disks
Excommunication for being mildly critical of church doctrine is fairly common. Just ask Fawn Brodie.  |
brodie wasn't "mildly critical" of church doctrine––she renounced it. can't get much more critical than that.
even then, she didn't want to remain a member anyway, so what's your beef with this? if you don't believe in the catholic church, criticize its teachings, and don't want to remain a member, are you going to complain when they then take you off of the records?
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Originally Posted by box_of_zip_disks
Anyone who wants to know what happens when you publicly criticize the mormon church should ask Fawn Brodie.
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and the excommunication wasn't for
public criticism. it was for publicly saying that it was all a load of crap and the work of a ******.
if you still don't understand the difference, many mormons publicly criticized the church's meddling with california's proposition 8, even holding rallies and stuff. i haven't seen any of them getting excommunicated for it yet. i myself have openly said that i don't agree with the church's stance on gay marriage, and i am still a member of the church in good standing; there are certainly church members that don't agree with me, and some might even think i'm a heretic or something, but i'm well within the church's tolerance level of criticism, especially on political issues.
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair
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Your probably not going to receive an answer to this point because they would have to confront one of their biggest hypocrises when it comes to their misplaced smugness and criticisms of the Mormon Church.
2 consenting adults are okay, but 3 or more are not? There is no real defense that can defend such flawed logic.
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in my opinion, it goes both ways, and the mormons that are against equal rights for gays are just as wrong as the nonmormons that criticize polygamy.
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Originally Posted by Dale Cooper
It's not a good idea to spew on what you think someone else might think.
I don't and have never considered Mormonism a cult.
Your credibility: ZERO
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he/she did specifically mention "fundamentalists," which probably means they are not talking about you. fundies of any religion typically have a hard time tolerating other world views, though i have met some exceptions.
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Originally Posted by tmsterp
Really? Because it's one of the world's fastest growing religions. can't be that hard to convince people who don't already buy it!
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this is tangential, but we mormons like to think that people are not being convinced by us, but by the Holy Spirit, and by themselves.
EDIT: oh yeah, i ought to give my two mormon cents on romney: i think he's a slimy bastard, and i really hope he doesn't give mormons any more of a bad name than he already is, and i
really, really hope he doesn't win. our country is already in enough trouble without it being run (any more than it already is) like a parasitic, overspending corporation that exists only to fill the pockets of its executives at the expense of everyone else.
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