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Old 05-16-2012, 09:54 AM
 
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North Carolina is vital to Barack Obama's re-election. Electoral calculus suggests that he can't lose any other swing state if he loses NC. To make matters worse, Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Colorado are problem states for Obama this year. Simply put, Barack Obama is not a shoo-in for 2012. If he loses multiple swing states, he's out.
It's not and he can. All he really needs to win is Ohio, considering that he was polled considerable leads now in NV, NM, and NH.

Go do your math again.

See look: I just proved your entire statement wrong: http://www.270towin.com/2012_electio....php?mapid=lcv. In this scenario, he loses CO, IN, IA, NC, VA, NE AND FL and still wins.

You can just make stuff up, AeroGuy.

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Rasmussen has been closer to final outcomes in the last couple or three elections than any of those others. Of course, the supporters of those others would tell you that Rasmussen is always wrong. How else can they keep you believing them.
It hasn't. In fact, in 2010, it was the worst major polling firm. Nate Silver wrote an extended piece on it with, you know, actual numbers and facts (which you guys hate, I know), so seek it out if you're interested.
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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It's not and he can. All he really needs to win is Ohio, considering that he was polled considerable leads now in NV, NM, and NH.

Go do your math again.

See look: I just proved your entire statement wrong: 2012 Presidential Election Interactive Map and History of the Electoral College. In this scenario, he loses CO, IN, IA, NC, VA, NE AND FL and still wins.

You can just make stuff up, AeroGuy.



It hasn't. In fact, in 2010, it was the worst major polling firm. Nate Silver wrote an extended piece on it with, you know, actual numbers and facts (which you guys hate, I know), so seek it out if you're interested.
What is the New York Times saying in their polls? Surely they would be telling the truth and that may well be numbers that you don't like too. Of course, you don't know how far left Silver leans.
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:19 AM
 
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North Carolina is vital to Barack Obama's re-election. Electoral calculus suggests that he can't lose any other swing state if he loses NC. To make matters worse, Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Colorado are problem states for Obama this year. Simply put, Barack Obama is not a shoo-in for 2012. If he loses multiple swing states, he's out.

Electoral calculus according to who? AeroGuyDC?
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:26 AM
 
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I've dismissed every Rasmussen poll thus far, including the ones having Obama up.

They are an outlier poll.
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:12 AM
 
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People still do not know the real Romney, when they do polls will shift.

But people do, now know, the REAL Obama and they know he is REAL bad at being president. That is all that matters.
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I've dismissed every Rasmussen poll thus far, including the ones having Obama up.

They are an outlier poll.
PPP has been far more of an outlier than Rasmussen in most state polling this election cycle, yet I'm sure you love and trust PPP.
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Texas
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It's not and he can. All he really needs to win is Ohio, considering that he was polled considerable leads now in NV, NM, and NH.

Go do your math again.

See look: I just proved your entire statement wrong: 2012 Presidential Election Interactive Map and History of the Electoral College. In this scenario, he loses CO, IN, IA, NC, VA, NE AND FL and still wins.

You can just make stuff up, AeroGuy.



It hasn't. In fact, in 2010, it was the worst major polling firm. Nate Silver wrote an extended piece on it with, you know, actual numbers and facts (which you guys hate, I know), so seek it out if you're interested.
And your beloved PPP just put out a poll (done for the Daily Kos no less) that had Obama and Romney tied in Wisconsin. In NH, a poll from a month ago had Romney up so I wouldn't be so confident about NH.

And Obama's approval remains well below (both nationally and in most swing states) what he needs to get 50% of the vote. His approval nationally is 48% at best (according to some pollsters, much lower) and incumbents almost always underperform their approval ratings by at least 1-2 points. And most approval rating polls are polls of registered voters/adults...not likely voters. Republicans/Republican-leaning independents are more likely to actually vote. You all just love to talk about 2004 and say that Bush's approval was low but, according to exit polls, his approval was about 53% among voters (it was 50%-51% in most polls right before the election).

Rasmussen was tied for most accurate pollster in 2008. Yes, it was not accurate in 2010. But in the last presidential election year it was accurate. Conservatives hate facts sometimes, but liberals do as well. Some of your posts lead me to believe that you are pretty emotional about your support of Obama. I would suggest that you're likely a bit biased and unable to look at this objectively.

Nevertheless, I agree with you that Obama does not need NC to win. But he is absolutely not a shoe-in for re-election.
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Scottie boy Rasmussen is really becoming a joke.
Ummm....PPP has been quite a bit more of an outlier in state polling this election cycle than Rasmussen.

Do you really think Obama is certain to win North Carolina?

Even if he wins the election, he is unlikely to win NC unless he wins by a large margin (NC remains more Republican-leaning than most of the other swing states and he only won it by 14,000 votes in 2008). And virtually no one - including people who think Obama is almost certain to win - thinks that Obama will win by as a large of a margin as he did in 2008.
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:57 AM
 
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LOL! As opposed to the real obama??? We know who obama is which is why Romney will trounce him in November and all the hate ads the left will use won't change it. You backed the wrong horse in '08 and America knows it.
Really? You didn't know who Obama was in 2008?[ I certainly did and voted for him.
What is funnier is that I know what the real Romney is too and hence I won't be voting for him in November.
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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It will depend on turnout in NC just like last time.
Pretty much this. It'll come down to who's done the most on the ground work between now and November, as it did last time.
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