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It took 8 years for the bumbling bush to screw up the economy and do you really expect it to be fixed in less than four? this is on top of the refuticans and those nutjobs called teabaggers obstructing everything that can help the American people
Is this always going to be the trump card everytime someone calls out Obama on his campaign promises? I don't think anyone expected everything to fully recover in 4 years or less, but people did expect some improvement nonetheless.
And not to defend the Tea party or Republicans, but the Demos controlled Congress and the Executive branch for 2.5 years. They could have passed almost anything at a whim, but I think it speaks volumes when people in your own party don't even agree with you. The Dems needed what? 60 votes in the Senate to pass new bills? They couldn't even get that done, because their own Senate members didn't agree with Obama's proposals.
Voting for him this time imo is sort of gambling on 4 more years of the same politically gridlocked, deadwood do nothing ideas.
As for polls, it really depends on which ones you choose to follow and the most popular ones seem to fluctuate every month. I think Gallop at one time this year even had Romney as the slight favorite between the two. Either way, I think it'll come down to the debates. I think when people see the two of them duke it out in a debate a few times is when you'll finally get some real numbers on this.
Is this always going to be the trump card everytime someone calls out Obama on his campaign promises? I don't think anyone expected everything to fully recover in 4 years or less, but people did expect some improvement nonetheless.
And not to defend the Tea party or Republicans, but the Demos controlled Congress and the Executive branch for 2.5 years. They could have passed almost anything at a whim, but I think it speaks volumes when people in your own party don't even agree with you. The Dems needed what? 60 votes in the Senate to pass new bills? They couldn't even get that done, because their own Senate members didn't agree with Obama's proposals.
Voting for him this time imo is sort of gambling on 4 more years of the same politically gridlocked, deadwood do nothing ideas.
As for polls, it really depends on which ones you choose to follow and the most popular ones seem to fluctuate every month. I think Gallop at one time this year even had Romney as the slight favorite between the two. Either way, I think it'll come down to the debates. I think when people see the two of them duke it out in a debate a few times is when you'll finally get some real numbers on this.
There has been some improvements. I think many forget that it was forecasted in 2008 that the economy would get worse before it got better. It did get worse but it is getting better. In regards to believing campaign promises, I admit I don't really believe much of anything that comes out of any politician's mouth as I see them all as professional liars in a way, but I will vote for which liar I trust the most. Obama couldn't get everything passed within his own party, because, unlike what many believe, he is not an uber left liberal. He's a liberal but more of a centrist liberal and therefore isn't as extreme as the fringe left. I personally trust him and his lies more than I trust Romney and his lies. He hasn't run our country into the ground, regardless of what people think, he does have experience as a president (he has been one for over 3 years now) and I don't want to take a gamble on Romney and have him come in and try to please his extreme right (which I expect him to do and which is an area where I do respect Obama, that he did not bend to the will of the extreme left) base and do their bidding.
Sorry, but you have your facts wrong, the DEMS did not control the white house and congress for two years, much less the 2 1/2 you claim. (how's that work seeing they lost the house after two years?)
They controlled a filibuster proof senate for about seven month before ted Kennedy died and they no longer had that 60th vote. That pretty much ended any control the DEMS had.
So, while you see the DEMS having 2.5 years of total unrestricted control of the government, reality is they had seven months of such control and most of that time was spent on ACA.
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Is this always going to be the trump card everytime someone calls out Obama on his campaign promises? I don't think anyone expected everything to fully recover in 4 years or less, but people did expect some improvement nonetheless.
And not to defend the Tea party or Republicans, but the Demos controlled Congress and the Executive branch for 2.5 years. They could have passed almost anything at a whim, but I think it speaks volumes when people in your own party don't even agree with you. The Dems needed what? 60 votes in the Senate to pass new bills? They couldn't even get that done, because their own Senate members didn't agree with Obama's proposals.
Voting for him this time imo is sort of gambling on 4 more years of the same politically gridlocked, deadwood do nothing ideas.
As for polls, it really depends on which ones you choose to follow and the most popular ones seem to fluctuate every month. I think Gallop at one time this year even had Romney as the slight favorite between the two. Either way, I think it'll come down to the debates. I think when people see the two of them duke it out in a debate a few times is when you'll finally get some real numbers on this.
Why is Obama ahead of mittens, look at the buffoon mittens is.
Why is Rasm always 5% or more to the right of other polls. Because they alone claim there are about 5% more republicans than other polls do. So their sampling methodology is slanted right.
You have just proved that you don't look at Rasmussen polls very often. Romney has been either a point or two behind or nearly tied for a long time now but all of a sudden he comes out ahead by 4 or 5 and you start whining about Rasmussen. Do you get what you know about them from Media Matters or Think Progress?
Republicans should stay with their poll. I wouldn't want them to miss what they are paying for, that sense of serenity and peace, that sure feeling.
Do you make a habit of looking at Rasmussen's poll results? I do, in fact they send their results to me every day and would do the same for even you if you give them your e-mail address. Then you could see what they learned, not what MM says they learned.
( probably the same percentage of blacks who cheered when OJ Simpson was acquited )
Add name recognition to that.
Unfortunately, Americans are basically dumber than a box of rocks. I'll bet if someone like Leno took to the streets asking people to name the person running on the Dem ticket, everybody would know. But if he asked who is running on the Repub ticket, I'll bet at least half of them wouldn't have a clue.
For an incumbant to be basically tied with a nominee doesn't bode well for the incumbant.
I keep wondering about that and do get a bit heartened when i see that Romney leads Obama from 4 to 5% at Rasmussen. Somebody is right and somebody is not right. Since so many polls show less than the media does I think I will ride with Rasmussen.
For me, it's pretty simple. I've seen Massachusetts under Romney, as well as the US under Obama. Obama is both a vastly better executive, and far more honest, than Romney is. So, I'll be voting for Obama.
There has been some improvements. I think many forget that it was forecasted in 2008 that the economy would get worse before it got better. It did get worse but it is getting better. In regards to believing campaign promises, I admit I don't really believe much of anything that comes out of any politician's mouth as I see them all as professional liars in a way, but I will vote for which liar I trust the most. Obama couldn't get everything passed within his own party, because, unlike what many believe, he is not an uber left liberal. He's a liberal but more of a centrist liberal and therefore isn't as extreme as the fringe left. I personally trust him and his lies more than I trust Romney and his lies. He hasn't run our country into the ground, regardless of what people think, he does have experience as a president (he has been one for over 3 years now) and I don't want to take a gamble on Romney and have him come in and try to please his extreme right (which I expect him to do and which is an area where I do respect Obama, that he did not bend to the will of the extreme left) base and do their bidding.
I think there have been a few improvements, namely in regards to troop withdrawls in Iraq and Afghanistan. He came through on that, but in regards to the Economy--I don't think so. And to be quite honest, I don't think he could get things past his own party simply because he lacked the necessary experience, knowledge and skills to get both sides on the same page. And I definitely disagree that he is a "left centrist", he most certainly is a far left winger given his track record with appeasing to the environmentalists (keystone pipeline), illegal immigrants (DREAM Act), gay marriage, "universal" health care, gay rights, Buffet Tax, and"equal pay" laws etc etc. It's not that I disagree with the problems that he identifies on these issues, but his approach and strategy to them are simply terrible. Romney on the otherhand is not a hard right winger, even his base will tell you that. He is most definiately a moderate-light right winger that appeals to indepedents which is why he was elected in Massachusetts. Candidates such as Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum are guys who I would call on the hard right side of things who were actually liked by the head honchos running the GOP. Overall though, I'd prefer Romeny at this point for reasons that I won't go into. I personally think voting for Obama will give us pretty much what we;ve seen in the last 3-4 years--which is really nothing.
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