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Old 06-15-2012, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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There are jobs created by taxpayer money and jobs that aren't. I disagree with any taxpayer money that might go to Keystone but one needs to understand the difference.
You just said some very true words but how many libs will be able to see how true they are? Somehow they just don't manage to see that government creates government jobs and business creates all the rest.
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Old 06-15-2012, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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I have only been called by Rasmussen one time so I don't know about those percentages you talk about. However, I have often seen them report numbers that I immediately said they must have called mostly Democrat households to get those numbers. That has happened enough times for me to think that they just pick telephone numbers at random and then report what they heard.
Lol, your personal experience has nothing to do with their methodology. Rasm claims they "adjust" the number of DEMS, R's and independents they include in their polling on a regular basis to reflect "changes" in demographics. They claim the country has been moving right so they include more right leaning respondents in the sampling.

The problem with these "adjustments" is that Rasm uses their own polling to arrive at their adjustments. Other polling suggests that Rasm's adjustments are not accurate.

Nat did a great write up on Rasm right bias.

Rasmussen Polls Were Biased and Inaccurate; Quinnipiac, SurveyUSA Performed Strongly - NYTimes.com
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:20 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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People know all those things because Obama has continued to blame everybody but himself for all those problems. Could you explain how those nasty Republicans caused that tanking of the economy instead of just blaming them?

The same way that republicans refuse to accept that the economy would not be in this mess if it was not for them in the first place
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Old 06-15-2012, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Lol, your personal experience has nothing to do with their methodology. Rasm claims they "adjust" the number of DEMS, R's and independents they include in their polling on a regular basis to reflect "changes" in demographics. They claim the country has been moving right so they include more right leaning respondents in the sampling.

The problem with these "adjustments" is that Rasm uses their own polling to arrive at their adjustments. Other polling suggests that Rasm's adjustments are not accurate.

Nat did a great write up on Rasm right bias.

Rasmussen Polls Were Biased and Inaccurate; Quinnipiac, SurveyUSA Performed Strongly - NYTimes.com
Now that Quinnipiac bunch certainly does a bang up job. In the last three elections none of them have been as close as Rasmussen was. They even told us that Obama would win and they have had him ahead of Romney till the last week. Never has either been more than a couple of points ahead until early this week.

Hey, I read the Rasmussen results for President daily straight from the horse's mouth. I do it so I can see how he is doing on their approval poll and get mad as hell when he gets down to -10. He hasn't been any higher than -10 in at least 3 years, though.
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Old 06-15-2012, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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The same way that republicans refuse to accept that the economy would not be in this mess if it was not for them in the first place
I love it when you people talk like that when the Dems have been in complete control of our government for over 3 1/2 years. Oh year, they are still in control since one house of Congress is under Reid's thumb and refuses to do anything that Obama may not like. Nope, you are trying to keep people from knowing why Obama failed on his promise to straighten out the economy in three years or he was going to get out.
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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I have yet to hear nybody in the liberal media refer to Reid as an obstructionist; the reason that he's stopped a ton of bills from coming to a vote his to protect some of the 20+ very vulnerable Demcratic Senators who are up for re-election this year having to make 'tough' votes on some very serious and sensitive issues.

What a bunch of spineless weasels, and their dear leader as well.
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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I love it when you people talk like that when the Dems have been in complete control of our government for over 3 1/2 years. Oh year, they are still in control since one house of Congress is under Reid's thumb and refuses to do anything that Obama may not like. Nope, you are trying to keep people from knowing why Obama failed on his promise to straighten out the economy in three years or he was going to get out.
BS on your "complete control" nonsense. When Scott Brown was elected to fill in for Ted Kennedy his nickname became "Scott 41", 41 standing for his 41 vote in voting for continuing filibusters.

Add the Franken wasn't seated until July 2009 the DEMS didn't no enjoy a filibuster proof senate for more than seven months out of Obama's term. This session of congress, controlled by the GOP house, has not been in the DEMS control and the last congress was controlled by Scott 41 and GOP filibusters for all but seven months.

So, you 3 1/2 years of total control by the dems is a lie.
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Old 06-16-2012, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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RACE is why !

92% of blacks think he is doing a good job

( probably the same percentage of blacks who cheered when OJ Simpson was acquited )
I think gay rights have a lot to do with it. Gay rights activists are usually one issue voters. They will stand with Obama because of his endorsement of gay marriage, even if they don't agree with him on economic issues. I've met several gay people who were conservative on every issue but gay rights but vote Democrat because of that one issue. I am sure friends and family of gay Americans do the same. Its the same principle the far right has on abortion. It's the litmus test for a candidate, no other issue really matters.
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Old 06-16-2012, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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BS on your "complete control" nonsense. When Scott Brown was elected to fill in for Ted Kennedy his nickname became "Scott 41", 41 standing for his 41 vote in voting for continuing filibusters.

Add the Franken wasn't seated until July 2009 the DEMS didn't no enjoy a filibuster proof senate for more than seven months out of Obama's term. This session of congress, controlled by the GOP house, has not been in the DEMS control and the last congress was controlled by Scott 41 and GOP filibusters for all but seven months.

So, you 3 1/2 years of total control by the dems is a lie.
You call me a liar, against TOC rules, and in the same post admit that the Dems didn't manage to steal that election in Minnesota for a full 7 months and then say that they only had complete control for 7 months. Maybe you just mistyped 17 months for their total control.

Accusing the Republicans of anything concerning legislating fails to say anything about all the House bills that Dirty Harry has put on the table to avoid debating and voting on them.
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Old 06-16-2012, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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You call me a liar, against TOC rules, and in the same post admit that the Dems didn't manage to steal that election in Minnesota for a full 7 months and then say that they only had complete control for 7 months. Maybe you just mistyped 17 months for their total control.

Accusing the Republicans of anything concerning legislating fails to say anything about all the House bills that Dirty Harry has put on the table to avoid debating and voting on them.


Get your facts right and you wouldn't need correcting. The DEMS have NOT had total control for the last 3 1/2 years.

No, seven months is ALL the DEMS had the house AND a filibuster proof senate.

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