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Old 06-23-2012, 02:37 PM
 
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Would Reagan have supported the DREAM Act? Would Reagan have shifted taxes to take more money out of the pockets of renters?
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Old 06-23-2012, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I know Ronald Reagan. And he's no Ronald Reagan.
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Old 06-23-2012, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Would Reagan have supported the DREAM Act? Would Reagan have shifted taxes to take more money out of the pockets of renters?
you really are making no sense what so ever. What do you mean taking money out of the pockets of renters? and what does this have to do with Rubio?
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Old 06-23-2012, 07:57 PM
 
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I know Ronald Reagan. And he's no Ronald Reagan.
I knew him also and why do you say he is no RR? I don't think we are saying he is another RR, but his hero was Ronald Reagan for starters.
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:08 PM
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I have never understood the high regard so many have for the policies of Ronald Reagan. I liked him as an actor, but I think a lot of our problems have been brought on by the tax changes he brought about. Our taxes went up under Reagan. He took away all our good deductions. I don't like the policies of Obama, but I think he has something when he mentions that a lot of people are not paying their fair share.

What is this about the rich not needing to pay taxes because they are creating jobs? They are not going to create any more jobs just because they pay less taxes. They are going to stuff it in their bank accounts and give it to their children. Jobs are created by those that borrow money and start a new business. You know the old saying, "Never use your own money."

Having said that, I would like to say that the Carter food stamps and nanny state needs to be eliminated in many ways. We give out cards so people's feelings won't be hurt when others know they are on welfare. If a person really needs money, they won't worry that much about their feelings. They will be happy to go to another location to collect food. Sometimes you wonder if the corruption is created on purpose in order to let some get rich from it.

If there is an honest person out there that knows how to be president and wants what is best for this country, tell me your name and I will write it on the ballot in November. Nobody is running like that right now. I am tired of voting for the lesser of the two evils and I am taking a stand and I'm not going to do it anymore. If you want to join me, write in a name in November that you think would be the best one to run this country. I wouldn't give you two cents for either one running right now.

And please don't tell me there is no use in doing that unless there is an organized campaign. If enough people wrote in someone else's name, they might get the message and nominate someone worth having. The main goal would be to make sure neither candidate gets enough votes to be elected. When you think about it, we have never had a free choice until the November election. Powerful people get together and decide who they are going to finance so the powerful people are the only ones who get to start from scratch. That is why all the laws made by both parties favor the rich people.

We all matter when we vote and it is our choice whether we are going to even try to make a difference. It took me 66 years to get to the point of being tired of letting others tell me what the choices are. In November, the choice is anyone you want to write down.

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Old 06-24-2012, 04:17 AM
 
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you really are making no sense what so ever. What do you mean taking money out of the pockets of renters? and what does this have to do with Rubio?

Rubio's extensive track record of pushing regressive tax shifts in Florida has a great deal to do with Rubio (duh). Raising the sales tax while cutting property taxes is guaranteed to leave every renter keeping less of what he earns, constitutes a regressive tax shift, and sounds to me like class warfare. Rental property in FL is already taxed unfairly but that has never been of concern to him. I can't afford his policies and don't want them anywhere near the White House where he can take more money out of my pocket..
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Old 06-24-2012, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Rubio's extensive track record of pushing regressive tax shifts in Florida has a great deal to do with Rubio (duh). Raising the sales tax while cutting property taxes is guaranteed to leave every renter keeping less of what he earns, constitutes a regressive tax shift, and sounds to me like class warfare. Rental property in FL is already taxed unfairly but that has never been of concern to him. I can't afford his policies and don't want them anywhere near the White House where he can take more money out of my pocket..
It seems like, from reading your posts over the past year or so, nothing short of a totally socialistic or even communistic government would satisfy you. That being your view and you have a right to it, of course the Rubio's would not be what you are looking for in a Pres or leader period. I am sure if you were a property owner you would see things a little differently or if you owned a small business like both of my childrn living in Florida do. Both support Rubio I will add. This is what makes our country so great, we can all have and voice our opinions.

Nita
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Old 06-24-2012, 03:16 PM
 
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It seems like, from reading your posts over the past year or so, nothing short of a totally socialistic or even communistic government would satisfy you. That being your view and you have a right to it, of course the Rubio's would not be what you are looking for in a Pres or leader period. I am sure if you were a property owner you would see things a little differently or if you owned a small business like both of my childrn living in Florida do. Both support Rubio I will add. This is what makes our country so great, we can all have and voice our opinions.

Nita

Not sure where you got that idea, I'm not interested in taxing the rich (I support flat overall taxes on discretionary income, with some minimum tax to ensure everyone pays something). I support property rights for all Americans and equal property tax rates on all taxable property - no extra taxes on rental property. Socialists would soak the rich and also soak landlords with exorbitant taxes, communists would take away our guns and our private property.

It's interesting how people start feeling entitled (to protectionist anti-market policies and preferential tax rates) when they acquire property. I'd guess that your children in Florida just love their homestead exemptions and preferential property taxes; Rubio has been very very good to them and the middle class is perfectly happy to vote themselves goodies from government when they have the votes.

I like to think I have sufficient integrity that I would not support special goodies for homeowners if I became a property owner, but I might never find out. In the meantime, there appears to be little or nothing to protect renters from the tyranny of the majority.
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Old 06-24-2012, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Truly funny how afraid the *******s are of Rubio.
It's always trying to play the fear card with you guys. When you pull it out next, take a look in the mirror. What are you afraid of, Bulldogdad? Let me guess: anything and anyone who disagrees with you?

Or is it just a Republican who reads and thinks a lot before he says anything? Compared to the clots that populate the House these days, Rubio is a political rationalist, the kind of person we all need more of.

Let me guess. You think that if everyone in this country agrees with each other, the United States will be perfect, as long as the agreement is all total and only conservative.
Never happened and never will, my friend.
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Old 06-25-2012, 02:24 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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I have never understood the high regard so many have for the policies of Ronald Reagan. I liked him as an actor, but I think a lot of our problems have been brought on by the tax changes he brought about. Our taxes went up under Reagan. He took away all our good deductions. I don't like the policies of Obama, but I think he has something when he mentions that a lot of people are not paying their fair share.
By the end of the Reagan presidency, the top 10% of wage earners were paying more, by percent, in taxes than they were during the Carter presidency. And the bottom 20% of wage earners were paying less, by percent, by the end of Reagan's second term compared to the end of Carter's term.
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