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Old 07-04-2012, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Riverside
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In an interview with ABC News this morning, Romney directly contradicted his own chief advisor, Eric Ferhnstrum's comments on Sunday's Meet the Press, and says the ACA mandate IS a tax... But his MA mandate isn't???

Campaign 2012: Covering the 2012 Presidential Race - Burns & Haberman Blog - POLITICO.com

Mitt seems to be arguing that, while he doesn't PERSONALLY think the individual mandate is a tax, the SCOTUS says it is, so it must be... Right???

And what he signed into law in MA as governor, well, that was totally different because... Well, BECAUSE!!!

You know guys, it's not too late for you GOPers to change your minds!
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Mitt seems to be arguing that, while he doesn't PERSONALLY think the individual mandate is a tax, the SCOTUS says it is, so it must be... Right???
Yes. The SCOTUS ruled that it is a tax so it is. He said that he agrees with the dissent, which would mean he doesn't believe it is a tax.

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And what he signed into law in MA as governor, well, that was totally different because... Well, BECAUSE!!!
Because no court ruled that it is a tax and the 10th Amendment allows states to force people to have health insurance and, therefore, a fine can be imposed by the state for not having it. SCOTUS has ruled that it is not constitutional for the federal government to impose a fine/penalty for not having health insurance, but that they can tax people who don't have it.
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:12 PM
 
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In an interview with ABC News this morning, Romney directly contradicted his own chief advisor, Eric Ferhnstrum's comments on Sunday's Meet the Press, and says the ACA mandate IS a tax... But his MA mandate isn't???

Campaign 2012: Covering the 2012 Presidential Race - Burns & Haberman Blog - POLITICO.com

Mitt seems to be arguing that, while he doesn't PERSONALLY think the individual mandate is a tax, the SCOTUS says it is, so it must be... Right???

And what he signed into law in MA as governor, well, that was totally different because... Well, BECAUSE!!!

You know guys, it's not too late for you GOPers to change your minds!
Too bad you don't hold yourself, Obama, and the SCOTUS to the same standard of clarity and integrity.
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Too bad you don't hold yourself, Obama, and the SCOTUS to the same standard of clarity and integrity.
Exactly...the only reason it's constitutional is because it's a tax yet now Obama and other Democrats are saying it's not a tax.

Also, the Solicitor General argued that it was both a tax and not a tax.

Romney is not necessarily in a bad position on this issue:

Why Romney remains politically well-situated on Obamacare | Power Line
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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This is ridiculous. Romney again shows the country that he has no spine. Can anyone really say that Romney is a man of conviction? He says he's a conservative - even an "extreme conservative" - but do most Republicans believe him? No, they do not.

Whether the mandate results in a fee or not doesn't matter to me. As long as I have even the most basic health insurance, I won't have to worry about paying it. And for those who do have to pay it, it's a tiny price to pay for the fact that they can go into any hospital in America and get treated if they have a medical emergency.
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Texas
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This is ridiculous. Romney again shows the country that he has no spine. Can anyone really say that Romney is a man of conviction? He says he's a conservative - even an "extreme conservative" - but even most Republicans don't believe him.
He said he was "a severely conservative governor." Obviously that's a stretch - but I certainly don't mind that.

How did he contradict himself in this instance? He said SCOTUS ruled it was a tax, so it is, but that he personally doesn't believe it is.

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As long as I have even the most basic health insurance, I won't have to worry about paying it.
Except very basic health insurance is not permitted under this law.
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Old 07-04-2012, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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In an interview with ABC News this morning, Romney directly contradicted his own chief advisor, Eric Ferhnstrum's comments on Sunday's Meet the Press, and says the ACA mandate IS a tax... But his MA mandate isn't???

Campaign 2012: Covering the 2012 Presidential Race - Burns & Haberman Blog - POLITICO.com

Mitt seems to be arguing that, while he doesn't PERSONALLY think the individual mandate is a tax, the SCOTUS says it is, so it must be... Right???

And what he signed into law in MA as governor, well, that was totally different because... Well, BECAUSE!!!

You know guys, it's not too late for you GOPers to change your minds!
BREAKING NEWS:
Dog bites man.
Romney flip-flops.
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Old 07-04-2012, 04:05 PM
 
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Let's not forget that Mittens also did not know what a donut is.

The man is confused, plum confused.
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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In an interview with ABC News this morning, Romney directly contradicted his own chief advisor, Eric Ferhnstrum's comments on Sunday's Meet the Press, and says the ACA mandate IS a tax... But his MA mandate isn't???

Campaign 2012: Covering the 2012 Presidential Race - Burns & Haberman Blog - POLITICO.com

Mitt seems to be arguing that, while he doesn't PERSONALLY think the individual mandate is a tax, the SCOTUS says it is, so it must be... Right???

And what he signed into law in MA as governor, well, that was totally different because... Well, BECAUSE!!!

You know guys, it's not too late for you GOPers to change your minds!
did you hear him and were you really listening? He said there is and was a difference in the state laws in Mass and the supreme court ruling last Thursday. I just heard the interview again and you are totally taking what he said and twising it...He kept re-emphasising regardless of what he or anyone else want to call it, the supreme court said it is a tax so we have to accept it as such...
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Old 07-04-2012, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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did you hear him and were you really listening? He said there is and was a difference in the state laws in Mass and the supreme court ruling last Thursday. I just heard the interview again and you are totally taking what he said and twising it...He kept re-emphasising regardless of what he or anyone else want to call it, the supreme court said it is a tax so we have to accept it as such...
Yes, it is a freeloader tax on people who don't want to pay for their own health care. I am all for that. As for Romney thinking it is different when a state does it, well that went out the window with the court ruling. Both states and the federal government may require people to buy health insurance and charge a penalty (tax) when they don't. Prior to the ruling Romney was inclined to argue that the feds had no right under the Constitution to do what he did in MA. Well, he was wrong. He is now stuck with his own plan as the Constitutional law of the land.
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