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Old 07-24-2012, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Texas
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There are more ways to show love of country then wearing a military uniform
Romney's "love of country" is pretty well obscured by his history. On the other hand, his love for his Mormon masters is a recurring theme.


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btw when and where did Obama serve?

BTW, show some evidence that Obama is spoiling for another fight like Romney is with Iran. Obama has ended one of Bush's wars and is throttling down the other one. Romney thinks we need to be involved in another middle east quagmire, especially since his family won't be at risk. Maybe his boys could get some fat insider deal on Halliburton stock. Or shares in a Saudi oil corporation. No need to get their hands dirty, though. And clearly, wars are fought by "little people" while the aristocracy profits at the taxpayers' expense.

All in the name of "protecting our freedoms", of course.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:01 AM
 
Location: North America
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I can't figure it out. At least Obama had something he wanted to accomplish. No, he hasn't been wildly successful (but he hasn't been a total failure either), but he did want to use that office to actually change some things.

What does Romney want? Why is he running? He doesn't seem to have any overarching ambition to do much of anything but hold the office. It's like he just wants it to put a big, bright period to his life's resume'.

In fact, he reminds me very much of Lamar Alexander. He ran for President several times and just wanted the office too badly to be trustworthy. He too didn't want to be President for any recognizable reason than to...well...be President.
Because you can't beat those retirement benefits.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:13 AM
 
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I can't figure it out. At least Obama had something he wanted to accomplish. No, he hasn't been wildly successful (but he hasn't been a total failure either), but he did want to use that office to actually change some things.

What does Romney want? Why is he running? He doesn't seem to have any overarching ambition to do much of anything but hold the office. It's like he just wants it to put a big, bright period to his life's resume'.

In fact, he reminds me very much of Lamar Alexander. He ran for President several times and just wanted the office too badly to be trustworthy. He too didn't want to be President for any recognizable reason than to...well...be President.

To save the nation from Obama.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:14 AM
 
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...btw when and where did Obama serve?
2008 - Present. Commander in Chief
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:22 AM
 
Location: it depends
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He wants to cut corporate tax rates so his uber wealthy CEO friends have even more money to buy private jets and homes across the world. All in the name of "jobs", the carrot he dangles to the US Citizens. Though these companies will continue to add new jobs in other countries like China and India, while thye close down operations in the USA.

He wants to cut safety and environmental regulations of corporations so his uber wealthy CEO friends can make a bigger profit, and faster and easier, even if this means injured workers and ill-effects on surrounding communities. Even though the companies will still continue to ship jobs offshore.

He wants to make sure companies still have an easy time shipping American jobs overseas. Where Obama wants to give breaks to companies that keep jobs in the USA. Not Romney. He doesn't care about the citizens. He only cares about corporations. And that is why is is running, IMO. To hand the country over to big corporations.
This is amazing. We are facing a choice between two distinct, well-enunciated visions of America. We are at a major fork in the road. One path leads to the remaking of America in the European mold, complete with a much larger and more powerful central government, less individual freedom, and a permanent economic stagnation with reduced growth rates and higher unemployment. The other vision says 'we already have a Europe and don't need another; we need to preserve and sustain the American experiment.' And so many posters cannot figure out why Romney is running? Or spew the kind of stuff in your post, Sware?

1. The US is the ONLY developed economy that attempts to tax the foreign earnings from foreign activitities of its companies--and it has the HIGHEST corporate tax rates in the world. Of course, the politically connected large companies have colluded with a corrupt government to get breaks and carve-outs and exemptions. And anyway corporations don't bear the impact of taxes, customers (we the people) end up paying every nickel of tax cost assessed to corporations. The rational thing to do is to cut rates, eliminate the carve-outs and favors in the tax code, and get competitive on rates with other countries. (This is the bipartisan Simpson Bowles recommendation, by the way, which Obama runs from.) In the area of corporate taxes, Romney has a much more effective set of proposals than what passes for policy in the Obama regime.

2. "Cut environmental regulations.' What a load. EXPANSION of environmental laws will be responsible for shutting down huge swaths of American industry, including the operations of public and private utilities, as Obama makes progress on his promise to make our utility bills "skyrocket." He says Republicans want dirty air and water. Horsepucky. We just don't want to freeze to death in the dark. Stop the stuff we can't afford, keep the environmental progress we've made.

3. You say "Obama wants to give breaks to companies that keep jobs in the USA," which is exactly what Obama has said. What he has done, however, is promote the punishment of all American companies who hire Americans to work in America. His proposals are to put more carveouts and special conditions and provisions in the tax code that only the very largest companies will be able to take advantage of. If you fix the tax code, you will totally stop the punishment borne by companies that hire Americans to work in America--but Obama's preference is always for the special deal that can be granted to friends--the waiver, the tax credit, the special deduction.

The choice in this election is as clear as a bell, and Romney's vision could not be more distinct. It isn't about his hair, or his daddy, or for the pension--it is about whether we end up with two Europes or retain an America and a Europe.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:58 AM
 
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The choice in this election is as clear as a bell, and Romney's vision could not be more distinct. It isn't about his hair, or his daddy, or for the pension--it is about whether we end up with two Europes or retain an America and a Europe.
Those that envy Europe's standard of living need to know that they couldn't do it without the US providing and paying for much of their defense.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:16 AM
 
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...Stop the stuff we can't afford, keep the environmental progress we've made. ...
Romeny will not keep the envornmental progress that we've made. He already said he will cut regulation. It would be a corporate free-for-all. You could forget all the environmental progress that was made, it would be gone in a matter of a few years all so corporations could save a few more bucks so their CEOs can make millions and millions of dollars on the back of our country and our citizens.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:26 AM
 
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To save the nation from Obama.
That's interesting, considering that he made the decision to run for the White House in 2008 way back in 2005, or 3 years before Obama was elected.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Texas
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This is amazing. We are facing a choice between two distinct, well-enunciated visions of America. We are at a major fork in the road. One path leads to the remaking of America in the European mold, complete with a much larger and more powerful central government, less individual freedom, and a permanent economic stagnation with reduced growth rates and higher unemployment. The other vision says 'we already have a Europe and don't need another; we need to preserve and sustain the American experiment.' And so many posters cannot figure out why Romney is running? Or spew the kind of stuff in your post, Sware?

1. The US is the ONLY developed economy that attempts to tax the foreign earnings from foreign activitities of its companies--and it has the HIGHEST corporate tax rates in the world. Of course, the politically connected large companies have colluded with a corrupt government to get breaks and carve-outs and exemptions. And anyway corporations don't bear the impact of taxes, customers (we the people) end up paying every nickel of tax cost assessed to corporations. The rational thing to do is to cut rates, eliminate the carve-outs and favors in the tax code, and get competitive on rates with other countries. (This is the bipartisan Simpson Bowles recommendation, by the way, which Obama runs from.) In the area of corporate taxes, Romney has a much more effective set of proposals than what passes for policy in the Obama regime.

2. "Cut environmental regulations.' What a load. EXPANSION of environmental laws will be responsible for shutting down huge swaths of American industry, including the operations of public and private utilities, as Obama makes progress on his promise to make our utility bills "skyrocket." He says Republicans want dirty air and water. Horsepucky. We just don't want to freeze to death in the dark. Stop the stuff we can't afford, keep the environmental progress we've made.

3. You say "Obama wants to give breaks to companies that keep jobs in the USA," which is exactly what Obama has said. What he has done, however, is promote the punishment of all American companies who hire Americans to work in America. His proposals are to put more carveouts and special conditions and provisions in the tax code that only the very largest companies will be able to take advantage of. If you fix the tax code, you will totally stop the punishment borne by companies that hire Americans to work in America--but Obama's preference is always for the special deal that can be granted to friends--the waiver, the tax credit, the special deduction.

The choice in this election is as clear as a bell, and Romney's vision could not be more distinct. It isn't about his hair, or his daddy, or for the pension--it is about whether we end up with two Europes or retain an America and a Europe.
The choice offered by the right is global Fascism. By any definition, the marriage of business and government is Fascist to the core.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Romeny will not keep the envornmental progress that we've made. He already said he will cut regulation. It would be a corporate free-for-all. You could forget all the environmental progress that was made, it would be gone in a matter of a few years all so corporations could save a few more bucks so their CEOs can make millions and millions of dollars on the back of our country and our citizens.

In other words, a return to the good ol' days of the Robber Barons.
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