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The GOP narrative is something like this: 'Obamacare is bad (even though it's just like Romneycare) because it isn't completely free market and we know everything free market is better than anything that has government regulation.'
But what does Romney do? He goes to Israel and praises the cost containment and quality of Israel's health care system -- which Israel’s system is a single-payer system that uses a high degree of government involvement.
In other words, Romney undercut the entire narrative that single-payer systems aren't as good as the private system the USA has.
Now, the Romney apologists will retort with hubbita, hubbita, hubbita... that's not what he meant but anyone with a brain will understand that Romney really doesn't have anything against the ACA except that it was Obama and the Democrats that provided it.
I'm waiting for the direct quote where Romney praises Israel's heavy regulation of health care.
You don't get to write OUR narrative.
PS: Just a taste though....there's a huge population difference between the USA and Israel and the USA and Massachusetts. Romneycare hasn't held costs down in Massachusetts, btw.
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I'm waiting for the direct quote where Romney praises Israel's heavy regulation of health care.
You don't get to write OUR narrative.
PS: Just a taste though....there's a huge population difference between the USA and Israel and the USA and Massachusetts. Romneycare hasn't held costs down in Massachusetts, btw.
Well, he did praise Israeli healthcare.
What should we conclude?
He either believes the end justifies the means or he's clueless as to what the means are.
He praised their ability to keep costs down....not their WAY of doing it.
There's quite a difference there.
It's quite a LEAP to say he endorsed their method when he never uttered those words, nor did he even IMPLY it.
If you're talking about some government regulation in health care in the USA, I don't know of any Conservative who'd be against it....say making it possible to sell HC Insurance across State Lines for example.
Forcing every American to BUY insurance or pay a tax is a completely different story. That's pretty much why the overwhelming majority of Americans HATE it and why Obama himself doesn't brag about it to only a select few.
He praised their ability to keep costs down....not their WAY of doing it.
There's quite a difference there.
What you are expressing is classic cognitive dissonance -- when one comes in contact with facts that are contrary to their beliefs, they throw out or distort the facts to reinforce their beliefs.
Obviously, Romney is praising the Israeli's for providing quality care and holding costs down. But one cannot praise that and ignore how the Israeli's accomplished that end. One also can't now contend that a single-payer system is abhorrent.
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He praised their ability to keep costs down....not their WAY of doing it.
There's quite a difference there.
It's quite a LEAP to say he endorsed their method when he never uttered those words, nor did he even IMPLY it.
It's also quite a LEAP to believe a man who praises results without knowing/caring how they were obtained. From your own statements you'd be just fine if Israel kept costs down by just letting the needy die in the gutter and Romney praised the low costs generated by that system.
It's also quite a LEAP to believe a man who praises results without knowing/caring how they were obtained. From your own statements you'd be just fine if Israel kept costs down by just letting the needy die in the gutter and Romney praised the low costs generated by that system.
Well, it would be easy to prove me wrong by QUOTING him praising their METHOD.
How about trying that? It beats putting words he never said into his mouth.
He's already said that his "experiment" in Massachusetts didn't work.
Well, it would be easy to prove me wrong by QUOTING him praising their METHOD.
How about trying that? It beats putting words he never said into his mouth.
He's already said that his "experiment" in Massachusetts didn't work.
Be real. You're never going to get Romney to say,
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"gee, a single-payer system, like Israel has, is just hunky dory. What could I have been thinking? Yup, I was wrong, ObamaCare -- I mean the Affordable Care Act, is just fine for America."
But by praising another system's results, even if he doesn't know the details of that system (which he should before opening his mouth,) praises the means and if those means are diametric opposites of his Party's views, then he is implicitly denouncing his own Party's view. You really can't wiggle out of that.
Romney may say his experiment in Massachusetts didn't work but he's saying that just so he doesn't get trapped into praising Obamacare. But from the evidence, Romneycare does work.
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Over 95 percent of the state’s residents are insured. It’s also popular. A February poll found that 62 percent approved of the law, and only 33 percent disapproved.
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From 2006 to 2010, employer-sponsored health-care premiums for a family rose about 19% in Massachusetts, while they rose about 22% in the U.S. as a whole. Compare that to the period between 2002 and 2006, when Bay State family premiums increased 40% and US family premiums rose only 34.5%. Family premiums went from growing faster than the national average to growing slower than it. Romneycare Totally Works | Boston Daily
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Well, it would be easy to prove me wrong by QUOTING him praising their METHOD.
How about trying that? It beats putting words he never said into his mouth.
He's already said that his "experiment" in Massachusetts didn't work.
Why don't you prove yourself correct by telling us where he's said he praises the low cost and doesn't have a clue and doesn't give a rat's ass about how that low cost was achieved?
Or if you're just willing to accept his praise for results he doesn't know the source of, tell us how that's a reasonable way to judge a man?
Why don't you prove yourself correct by telling us where he's said he praises the low cost and doesn't have a clue and doesn't give a rat's ass about how that low cost was achieved?
Or if you're just willing to accept his praise for results he doesn't know the source of, tell us how that's a reasonable way to judge a man?
I go by what the man actually says and not what I want him to say. I don't put EXTRA words in his mouth like some folks do.
It's real clear where he praises their cost effectiveness...he ACTUALLY says that.
He DOESN'T say he admires their METHOD.
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