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Old 08-10-2012, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Bullcrap. Reagan was far to he right of every GOP nominee since.
Also,only someone with 0 knowledge of history and politics would put Ayn Rand and neocon together.
You are the radicals. You are the fringe. You are the psycotics.
Who raised more taxes: Reagan, Bush, or Dubya?

Who granted amnesty to more illegal aliens: Reagan, Bush, or Dubya?
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Old 08-10-2012, 04:25 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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If you plan to vote for Obama you can't with a straight face call yourself a moderate or centrist.
No centrist would support Obamacare. No centrist would support increasing food stamp spending by over 50%. No centrist would support this massive growth in government. Vote for him,fine. But stop calling yourself a moderate or centrist. You are radicals.

What's become radical is the GOP, controlled by the lunatic religious fringe. Which is exactly why I'm no longer a Republican.
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Old 08-10-2012, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Home of the Braves
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I was too young to vote for Reagan, but I did campaign for him as a senior in high school. Since then, I've voted Bush, Bush, Clinton, Bush (the only one I regret), Kerry, Obama. I'll happily vote for Obama again. I don't particularly care whether I'm called a "moderate" or "centrist." I'm a foreign policy realist, pro-business and pro-market, but supportive of necessary and effective regulation, and I'm socially liberal. More than anything, I'm a pragmatist. The Republican Party, in my view, was the pragmatist party prior to 1994, and they've since gone off the deep-end as the Democrats tacked to the middle.

While they lionize Reagan, conservatives and Tea Folk seem to have forgotten this: the Reagan Revolution was about creating a big tent party built on pragmatism and effective solutions to the problems of the late 1970s and early 1980s. The party has since been taken over by neocons, religious zealots and Randian wingnuts, and the pragmatists and realists are in the Democratic Party -- epitomized by Barack Obama.

The good news is, I can imagine supporting Republicans again someday, if the party returns to sanity.
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Old 08-10-2012, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Originally Posted by Electric Blue View Post
Bullcrap. Reagan was far to he right of every GOP nominee since.
Also,only someone with 0 knowledge of history and politics would put Ayn Rand and neocon together.
You are the radicals. You are the fringe. You are the psycotics.
Ayn Rand was the leader of a cult where she demanded adoration of her. Say, isn't that pretty much the definition of a neocon?
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Old 08-10-2012, 05:39 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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And Rand was just as hypocritical as todays ideologues. Towards the end of her life, apparently the famous critic of the “welfare state” also received Social Security, and probably Medicare too (she applied for Part B).

Ayn Rand Received Social Security, Medicare
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Old 08-10-2012, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Fine....................Mommy.


Or should I say "Nanny"?

Whichever. Now that I spanked your little bottom, it makes no difference to me.
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Old 08-12-2012, 09:34 PM
 
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Bullcrap. Reagan was far to he right of every GOP nominee since.
50% marginal tax rate Reagan? That Reagan? If anyone dared suggest raising the marginal taxes back to Reagan levels, they'd be tarred and feathered.
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Old 08-12-2012, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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If you plan to vote for Obama you can't with a straight face call yourself a moderate or centrist.
No centrist would support Obamacare. No centrist would support increasing food stamp spending by over 50%. No centrist would support this massive growth in government. Vote for him,fine. But stop calling yourself a moderate or centrist. You are radicals.

Really, I would call them centrist, moderate, AMERICANS with compassion for their fellow citizens!
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Old 08-12-2012, 10:12 PM
 
Location: not Chicagoland
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Really, I would call them centrist, moderate, AMERICANS with compassion for their fellow citizens!
This sums it up nicely.
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Old 08-13-2012, 06:25 AM
 
Location: NC
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If you plan to vote for Obama you can't with a straight face call yourself a moderate or centrist.
No centrist would support Obamacare. No centrist would support increasing food stamp spending by over 50%. No centrist would support this massive growth in government. Vote for him,fine. But stop calling yourself a moderate or centrist. You are radicals.
I'm not a fan of Obamacare but you are talking about the same Obamacare developed by the conservative Heritage Foundation and inacted in by a Republican governor first correct? Guess they are radicals too?
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