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Old 08-18-2012, 03:32 AM
 
Location: Y-Town Area
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A video about AARP stating that the Obama plan is better than the Romney/Ryan plan.


"Facts" - Obama for America TV Ad - YouTube
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Old 08-18-2012, 05:27 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Default Medicare Advantage Ends under ObamaCare

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A video about AARP stating that the Obama plan is better than the Romney/Ryan plan.
ObamaCare ends Medicare Advantage, and Medicare itself will be gone in 12 years if nothing is done to save it.

The Ryan plan saves Medicare and puts back the $716 B Obama robbed from it to pay for ObamaCare.

The Ryan plan changes nothing for those who are now 55 and older.

The Ryan plan offers more choices for future beneficiaries.

I downloaded a copy of the plan to my hard drive and have read it.
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Old 08-18-2012, 05:28 AM
 
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A video about AARP stating that the Obama plan is better than the Romney/Ryan plan.


"Facts" - Obama for America TV Ad - YouTube

AARP is a leftist organization which receives BILLIONS (just the organization, not medicare) through Obamacare. Of course they would say anything.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/3...d-investigate/


Obama looted $750 billion from medicare. This will-
a. reduce access for seniors (it may damn near eliminate it with the 30% cut in physician reimbursement)
b. reduce quality of care by limiting care and access
c. reduce availability of non-generic drugs


Only a fool would think that stealing $750 billion from a program would make it stronger. If that is the case, why don't we take $750 billion from Obamacare? I am sure that would make it better. WAKE UP- AARP is just another marxist propaganda unit now, as it is controlled by the left.
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Old 08-18-2012, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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A video about AARP stating that the Obama plan is better than the Romney/Ryan plan.


"Facts" - Obama for America TV Ad - YouTube
make no mistake, it would be the Ryan/Romney plan, if we allow them to be elected.
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Old 08-18-2012, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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ObamaCare ends Medicare Advantage, and Medicare itself will be gone in 12 years if nothing is done to save it.

The Ryan plan saves Medicare and puts back the $716 B Obama robbed from it to pay for ObamaCare.

The Ryan plan changes nothing for those who are now 55 and older.

The Ryan plan offers more choices for future beneficiaries.

I downloaded a copy of the plan to my hard drive and have read it.
Point-by-point to your talking points:

Medicare Advantage was a boondoggle for insurance companies. Under Medicare Advantage, the Kaiser Family Foundation said, Medicare ends up paying the private plans MORE per enrollee -- about 7% more -- than the fee-for-service program does.

The Ryan plan does not re-instate the $716 bil. It takes that and more.

The Ryan Plan does not offer more choices. It is designed to kill Medicare. Even if one wanted traditional Medicare, a senior would have to buy that with their voucher.

From Paul Krugman this morning:

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...there are spending cuts. Of these, approximately $800 billion comes from converting Medicaid into a block grant that grows only with population and overall inflation – a big cut compared with projections that take into account rising health-care costs and an aging population (since the elderly and disabled account for most Medicaid expenses). Another $130 billion comes from doing something similar to food stamps. Then there are odds and ends – Pell grants, job training. Be generous and call all of this $1 trillion in specified cuts.

On top of this we should add the $700 billion in Medicare cuts that Ryan denounces in Obamacare but nonetheless incorporates into his own plan.

So if we look at the actual policy proposals, they look like this:

Spending cuts: $1.7 trillion
Tax cuts: $4.3 trillion
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Old 08-18-2012, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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AARP has long been a wing of the leftist dem party.

I have never and will never have anything to do with them.

Last edited by CaseyB; 08-18-2012 at 01:20 PM..
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Old 08-18-2012, 07:36 AM
 
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Who is the dunce that is running around with this crap? AARP?!?!?! They are leftists and supported Obamacare. Just like that stupid Hollywood song for Obama, this isnt a shocker that they would say this. They are as left as hollywood is.
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Old 08-18-2012, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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AARP has long been a wing of the lefttard dem party.

I have never and will never have anything to do with them.
AARP represents seniors who pay AARP for membership.

AARP favor Democrats because Democrats back policy that are beneficial to seniors. In this country, Democrats brought us Medicare and Republicans opposed it and have been trying to kill it since 1965.

It's such a farce for Rmoney to campaign that he's the one that is helping Medicare, when he wants to turn it into a voucher program that doesn't offer enough to provide coverage.
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Old 08-18-2012, 07:39 AM
 
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The fact is, Medicare is insolvent. Medicare is making Medicare end as we know it by 2024 per the government. That is right, just 12 years away from Medicare not having the money to make all of its payments. It has run a deficit since 2008 with no end to this in sight.

Now, we can keep Obama, who has actually weakened it, or we can elect an adult who has a proposal to fix it, without it effecting seniors.


Obama -- kicking the can down the road with no courage to fix it.

Romney/Ryan -- adult enough to fix it without changing it for seniors.

Ryan's seriousness inspires Democratic silliness - Philly.com
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Old 08-18-2012, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The fact is, Medicare is insolvent. Medicare is making Medicare end as we know it by 2024 per the government. That is right, just 12 years away from Medicare not having the money to make all of its payments. It has run a deficit since 2008 with no end to this in sight.

Now, we can keep Obama, who has actually weakened it, or we can elect an adult who has a proposal to fix it, without it effecting seniors.
If Medicare is insolvent then private insurance is insolvent too, as both are being squeezed by ever growing medical costs. Here’s the raw fact, from the National Health Expenditure data: since 1970 Medicare costs per beneficiary have risen at an annual rate of 8.8% — but insurance premiums have risen at an annual rate of 9.9%. The rise in Medicare costs is just part of the overall rise in health care spending. And in fact Medicare spending has lagged private spending: if insurance premiums had risen “only” as much as Medicare spending, they’d be 1/3 lower than they are.

Moreover, the Washington Posts weighs in on Rmoney's pledge to repeal ObamaCare: Medicare trustees: Repealing Obamacare cuts would hasten insolvency.

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“I’m going to restore that $716 billion to the Medicare trust fund so that current seniors can know that trust fund is not being raided and get Medicare on track to be solvent on a long term basis,” he told “CBS This Morning” on Wednesday.

It makes for a great talking point. But if you walk through how the spending cuts actually work, as Ricardo Alonso-Zalidvar did this morning, it’s not exactly clear this would move the program toward solvency at all. It could actually make Medicare insolvent a whole lot faster.
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“Simply undoing the cuts would restore higher payments to those service providers,” Alonso-Zalidvar writes. “And that would cause Medicare to spend money faster.”
Also see: Medicare Is Not Bankrupt
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