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I didnt say anything about not being suitable, but if the american candidates were willing to take less pay, then there wouldn't be the need to look elsewhere for less pay.
Well, if you know college grads working in call centers and making 35k then I guess they didnt lose their jobs to a H1B.
Maybe they are forced to work in a call center because an easily explotiable H1B is in the position that they should have taken at an IT firm.......
It's not like you couldn't have made that logical leap yourself, it just doesn't fit your agenda, so why should you bother?
You're asking me to make the logical leap that most college graduates would rather be unemployed than get paid a low wage. I think that's BS based on my experience. I'm sure it applies to some people, but to justify more H1B's based on that anecdotal nonsense is ridiculous.
In 2009 214K H1-B visas were granted. Don't forget there are exceptions to caps of H1-B.
People with Master degree and above are exempt; those employed by education are exempt; those in research are exempt and Chile and Singapore have their own separate caps, etc. There's a alot more than the 65K you are being told over and over.
Characteristics of these workers (2009):
-48% from India
-41% had Bachelor degrees, 40% had Masters degree, 13% had doctorates
-41% were in computer occupations
-median salary $64K
The above statistics are in Note 13 link to USCIS report
And tell me how Romney's policy of increasing them is going to help the American job situation?
You guys really can't be that slow that you don't realize the logical fallacies of what you are typing while you type it?
Romney does not have the authority to raise them by himself.
You're all acting like Obama is anti-insourcing when I just showed you that over 200K got visas in 2009, the worst year we had concerning out of work Americans.
From 2001-2003 the cap was 195,000.
Folks in the tech industry were the hardest hit and took to the airwaves about being replaced.
No one listened, no one cared. Just like when mfg jobs declined and left US shores.
Raising the cap from 65K is meaningless because there are so many other ways to get workers here.
We have a cap of 65K and yet issued over 200K H1-B visas.
There are too many ways AROUND THE CAP to even be worried about that cap.
Maybe they are forced to work in a call center because an easily explotiable H1B is in the position that they should have taken at an IT firm.......
It's not like you couldn't have made that logical leap yourself, it just doesn't fit your agenda, so why should you bother?
You're asking me to make the logical leap that most college graduates would rather be unemployed than get paid a low wage. I think that's BS based on my experience. I'm sure it applies to some people, but to justify more H1B's based on that anecdotal nonsense is ridiculous.
Then why don't you just visit the work and employment boards here on city-data and you will find many that would rather stay unemployed then work for lower wages.
And no they are not forced to work in a call center, for one, there are many IT jobs out there available right now.
Just because you are unwilling to accept that maybe your belief is not true in all instances does not make it valid either.
I mean seriously, I can show you multiple resumes of people fresh out of college, with no work experience that are wanting to demand 65-85k/year.
Romney does not have the authority to raise them by himself.
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...and I already told you ealier in the thread that he can PROPOST that to the Congress and that Reagan never legislated either, but again we have the same mantras..where's the guy with the "pension funds hold stock!!!" robotic/parrot mantra?
I read your scenario, but I also laid out the scenario that happens more times then your scenario. But even in your scenario, if the American was willing to work for the 40k instead of thinking they are worth the 100k, then they wouldn't be out of a job.
There's a problem with that. I met an guy from India who was traveling in an old car cross country because he was working some contract job that was over and was on his way to San Diego to start another 6 month contract job that didn't pay enough for him to rent an apartment there for his family so he was leaving his family behind on the other side of the country and would probably not see his wife and child for at least 6 months.
He was renting floor space in an apartment with some other Indian guys he had never met before but they have some kind of network to help each other out.
Why do the liberals want us to have to compete with that with all their open borders agendas?
Here is an educated immigrant, nice guy, a family guy and yes all he wants is his American Dream that looks more like an American Nightmare but at the same time, Americans shouldn't have to split from their families for many months at a time because wages are falling so radically.
Then why don't you just visit the work and employment boards here on city-data and you will find many that would rather stay unemployed then work for lower wages.
And no they are not forced to work in a call center, for one, there are many IT jobs out there available right now.
Just because you are unwilling to accept that maybe your belief is not true in all instances does not make it valid either.
I mean seriously, I can show you multiple resumes of people fresh out of college, with no work experience that are wanting to demand 65-85k/year.
Austin is booming in the area of tech and are hiring left and right.
But these are not your "I know java and web applications" types of jobs. They are system programmers and embedded specialists. Word of mouth travels quickly in tech.
Apple, Intel and AMD are all hiring (at least in Austin) and I'm seeing the job hopping pick up.
Then why don't you just visit the work and employment boards here on city-data and you will find many that would rather stay unemployed then work for lower wages.
And no they are not forced to work in a call center, for one, there are many IT jobs out there available right now.
Just because you are unwilling to accept that maybe your belief is not true in all instances does not make it valid either.
I mean seriously, I can show you multiple resumes of people fresh out of college, with no work experience that are wanting to demand 65-85k/year.
My experience (with a drawer full of resumes) is that there are just as many people willing to work for lesser wages and outside of their areas of study just so they can have a job.
Either way, policy shouldn't be based on anecdotes, it should be based on facts. If there is one unemployed engineer or IT guy willing to work for the market rate, than that job should not be filled by an H1-B. THAT should be government policy, not what corps want so they can cut costs.
Then why don't you just visit the work and employment boards here on city-data and you will find many that would rather stay unemployed then work for lower wages.
And no they are not forced to work in a call center, for one, there are many IT jobs out there available right now.
Just because you are unwilling to accept that maybe your belief is not true in all instances does not make it valid either.
I mean seriously, I can show you multiple resumes of people fresh out of college, with no work experience that are wanting to demand 65-85k/year.
That's the unemployed subsection, you find people in the Work and Employment forum that DO want to work. The unemployed subsection though is rather revealing, the only thing they care about is making sure another extension of unemployment handouts will be coming their way.
And now we see in California that crops are rotting in the fields -- certainly not because of Arizona-like immigration enforcement because California has none of that. And California boasts of having the most illegals, the most welfare recipients and a sky high unemployment rate -- yet a few thousand jobs cannot be filled because the people there are too comfortable living off the government.
...and I already told you ealier in the thread that he can PROPOST that to the Congress and that Reagan never legislated either, but again we have the same mantras..where's the guy with the "pension funds hold stock!!!" robotic/parrot mantra?
Holy smokes.
And CEO's have already proposed the same to Congress for each year now and the cap is still at 65K.
What is your point ?
Congress has not raised the cap and have been asked to each year.
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