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Old 09-08-2012, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Let's see, your little arrows point up to me yet you call me "dude". Why do you assume I am a "dude"? All I can say is "Bully for you". I'm not.
Sorry to hear that you are having a hard time.
I do have to wonder though, if one subscribes to the GOP philosophy of "I built that", how is the president in any way responsible for his/her misfortunes? Surely the power to make a positive change rests solely with the individual (?)
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Old 09-08-2012, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Here are two:

1. He wouldn't force Americans to buy government-run health insurance.
2. He wouldn't raise taxes.
He did both as governor.
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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He did both as governor.
Maybe that is why Romney doesn't like to talk about his time as a governor.
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Old 09-08-2012, 12:01 PM
 
Location: FL
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He did both as governor.
That is why he isn't talking about that.
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Really? Wrong on both counts.

We WILL have some form of Government Health Care but it would be more to the liking of his friends in the insurance business and the ultra religious "everything I don't like is a sin, and should be federally banned" bunch.
How do you know that?

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He WILL raise taxes, just on a different bunch of people, those in the middle and lower middle class.
And how do you know that, too?
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Old 09-08-2012, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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How do you know that?



And how do you know that, too?
You're right, how do we know, Romney doesn't like to talk about the details, so how do you know he won't do these things? You good buddies with Romney or something?
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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You're right, how do we know, Romney doesn't like to talk about the details, so how do you know he won't do these things? You good buddies with Romney or something?
I'll put it this way... I trust Romney a lot more than I trust Obama!
You know, the same Obama who said he would cut the debt in half. And the Obama who said that if his stimulus plan passed, the unemployment rate would not go over 8%.
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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How do you know that?



And how do you know that, too?

For starters he did both as governor, and he has his loyalties, those that line his pockets.
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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way too many if, ands or buts? this isn't even worth prodicting right now....Most of the important states are still up for grabs, depending on who you believe they can go either way...Fl, Va, Oh, Mi, NC and on and on....
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I'll put it this way... I trust Romney a lot more than I trust Obama!
You know, the same Obama who said he would cut the debt in half. And the Obama who said that if his stimulus plan passed, the unemployment rate would not go over 8%.
Let's look at that last one first. Politifact has heard that one many times and they report that it's mostly false to claim that Obama promised that UE would be under 8%.

It was made by a report before the full extent of the economic downturn was realized. The report had many caveats:

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"It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error," the report states. "There is the more fundamental uncertainty that comes with any estimate of the effects of a program. Our estimates of economic relationships and rules of thumb are derived from historical experience and so will not apply exactly in any given episode. Furthermore, the uncertainty is surely higher than normal now because the current recession is unusual both in its fundamental causes and its severity."

A footnote that goes with the chart states: "Forecasts of the unemployment rate without the recovery plan vary substantially. Some private forecasters anticipate unemployment rates as high as 11 percent in the absence of action."
The administration has acknowledged its projections were wrong but that doesn't mean the stimulus was unworthy. It still created millions of jobs and prevented a slide into depression, according to many economists.

Whether you trust Romney more than Obama is subjective. But if you will vote for Romney because Obama promised that he would cut the deficit in half and didn't, Romney is claiming that he will give tax breaks; increase defense spending; reduce the deficit; increase Medicare spending and hold SSI the same. Analysis of that claim says that it is mathematically impossible to do all of those things -- but you trust Romney.
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