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Old 09-11-2012, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Gone
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The thing is Mcain Palin was not in charge Obama was . he has failed but will be reelected because he has a base of people who want their government freebies protected
Keep telling yourself that, it works about as good as white guilt, as an excuse why the voters are rejecting the GOP "alternative"
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Old 09-11-2012, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Ryan didn't say he didn't vote for it. His words gave excuses for why he did.
Congress "agreeing on nearly $1 trillion in federal spending cuts over 10 years with the promise to impose another $1.2 trillion to reduce budget deficits. The deal was coupled with an increase in the Treasury Department's borrowing authority, as it had bumped up against a legal limit.

As head of the House of Representatives Budget Committee, Ryan backed last year's deal.
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SOURCE: Romney blasts debt-ceiling deal that Ryan backed - Chicago Tribune
If you read my post you would see that I admitted that Ryan voted for the deal. Here read it again:

"Second, voting for the debt ceiling increase was not voting for the defense cuts. The idea was that such draconian cuts would be so painful that they would force both sides to come to a longer term agreement to avoid these cuts. Congress did their part by passing spending cuts but Obama and the senate did nothing".
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Old 09-11-2012, 03:29 PM
 
Location: On the corner of Grey Street
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The thing is Mcain Palin was not in charge Obama was . he has failed but will be reelected because he has a base of people who want their government freebies protected
I know this will come as a shock to you...but...I'm gainfully employed and I've never been on government assistance at any point in my life. *gasp* My parents are employed - never any government assistance and they're voting for Obama. My friends and other family members...same story. Do you think the only people who support Obama are people on welfare?
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Old 09-11-2012, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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If you read my post you would see that I admitted that Ryan voted for the deal. Here read it again:

"Second, voting for the debt ceiling increase was not voting for the defense cuts. The idea was that such draconian cuts would be so painful that they would force both sides to come to a longer term agreement to avoid these cuts. Congress did their part by passing spending cuts but Obama and the senate did nothing".
Congress did not pass anything, Congress is both the House and the Senate. Just a technical point in that statement that makes it false.
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Old 09-11-2012, 04:37 PM
 
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Romney definitely has the knowledge and Obama has nothing but his horrible record, but the debates are being moderated by all liberals and liberal networks, which should have never happened so it will be terribly one-sided...but what's new?
Preparing the excuses already?
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Old 09-11-2012, 04:48 PM
 
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Incompetent is simply true. He has had too much success to be incompetent...
Well, business skill and political skills are not the same. The CEO, President and sole stockholder can treat contradiction and dissent rather differently than the national Chief Executive.

Romney does not do too well with contradiction, and if Obama is smart, he'll play to that. If Romney loses his cool, he'll lose points. Obama, love him or loathe him, you should be able to admit he is pretty much unflappable.
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Obama is goin to look foolish when he debates Romney. There is nothing Obama can talk about. Obama will not be able to answer the central question of the campaign: "Are you better off today than you were four years ago?"

President Obama does not know the issues as well as Romney.

Romney leads in all polls after the debates.
The president doesn't have to talk about anything.
Pretty much all he has to do is ask Mr. Romney where he stands on any issue and then recap where he stood on the same issue before they got on the stage.
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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It must be painful for a lib to watch Ryan take apart a democrat hack masquerading as a news reporter. Ryan said loopholes will be closed for the wealthy. Taxes for small business and the middle class will be lowered, economic growth will increase revenue, spending will be cut and entitlement will be reformed. You can't understand this?
Romney said more jobs will make more taxpayers which will increase revenue.

No one in history has had the courage that Ryan has shown in touching the third rail of politics. Where are Obama's details? More spending, more debt, more paybacks to government unions?
I understand all of it.
I believe none of it.
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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It must be painful for a lib to watch Ryan take apart a democrat hack masquerading as a news reporter. Ryan said loopholes will be closed for the wealthy. Taxes for small business and the middle class will be lowered, economic growth will increase revenue, spending will be cut and entitlement will be reformed. You can't understand this?
Romney said more jobs will make more taxpayers which will increase revenue.

No one in history has had the courage that Ryan has shown in touching the third rail of politics. Where are Obama's details? More spending, more debt, more paybacks to government unions?
Ryan is far from courageous. He offers the same stale ideas the GOP has been offering for 30 years, cut taxes, deregulate corporations and slash spending on the needy -- all with the smile that it is fiscally responsible.

Unfortunately, his plans are a sham. The do cut taxes and slash spending but because the plans are based upon unfounded assumptions and magic asterisks that they actually increase the debt and that's cowardly.
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Old 09-11-2012, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Ryan is far from courageous. He offers the same stale ideas the GOP has been offering for 30 years, cut taxes, deregulate corporations and slash spending on the needy -- all with the smile that it is fiscally responsible.

Unfortunately, his plans are a sham. The do cut taxes and slash spending but because the plans are based upon unfounded assumptions and magic asterisks that they actually increase the debt and that's cowardly.
Have you ever seen anyone else tackle entitlement spending? The programs are going bankrupt but the democrats are afraid to do anything about it.

So you don't believe that unleashing business with lower taxes and saner regulations will grow the economy and create jobs like it did for Reagan and Bush. But Obama has proven that record deficit spending has not increased job growth. What is your solution?
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