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Old 09-19-2012, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Because he pays for the federal benefits and services he receives and then some. The 47% (51%, actually) who pay no federal income tax do not pull their own weight.
According to whom?

Probably want to take it up with Congress.
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:45 PM
 
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Default Mitt Romney should fire himself

There are so many issues with Romney's comments, it's well behond mere brouhahaness:

1) Romney equates the 47% who don't pay income tax with the 47% obama support - they are NOT the same people! many of the 47% who don't pay income tax are retired people on social security, or people on disability, including veterans. Many of these (used to) vote republican.

2) most of these 47% who don't pay income tax are not slackers - this country is not that bad. Sure there will always be free-loaders but it isn't HALF the country. To refer to them all as victims and that they would never vote for you so you don't even worry about them is extremely dismissive - choice of words notwithstanding.

3) this is not an isolated incident! combine this with jabbing at London during the olympics, bragging about having friends who OWN nascar teams, and so on show a predisposition for not thinking and/or speaking well.

Note that the whole POINT of being a politician is about communication - that's the beginning and end of all politics by definition - so if you cannot do this well then you are already doomed.

Romney would fire himself if he would just look at his own performance critically.
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:48 PM
 
Location: FL
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For which they'll get SS and Medicare benefits, but that's not federal income tax.

Medicaid is not SS or Medicare. SNAP is not SS or Medicare. Section 8 is not SS or Medicare. Various other additional services and benefits are not SS or Medicare. People who pay no federal income tax contribute NOTHING towards the expenses of those programs yet are the HIGHEST beneficiaries of such.
So it is OK for people like Romney to get tax deductions but not people that need money for food. Really? No wonder people don't want to admit they are republicans any more.
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:49 PM
 
Location: FL
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sigh...two guys who don't get it.

No one is challenging the fact that ~47% pay no federal taxes. That's a fact. Everyone knows it. It's not the controversy.

What we are challenging is Romney's assertion that those ~47% are lazy moochers! That's exactly what Romney claimed.

And for the 500th time, the facts say: of those who pay no federal taxes, about 22% are elderly, about 15% are very poor (make less than $20K/year), and another 63% pay payroll taxes - meaning they work and are putting into medicare and social security, not "mooching" it for free. We've said these independently verifiable facts over and over and over again...and you people still cannot get it.

The point is: don't call these people all lazy when most of them are not. Change the tax code - we could definitely use that - but stop making false qualitative judgments about them - ESPECIALLY if you want to win an election.
They choose not to see it.
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:52 PM
 
Location: The end of the road Alaska
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Actually the Mormon organization should fire their puppet.
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Old 09-19-2012, 03:57 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So Romney believes that 47 percent of Americans are on welfare?
A large majority of them are. 34.2% of the U.S. population is the stat I saw in HuffPo. The others just get a free ride at the expense of those who DO pay federal income tax.
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:00 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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She has been on Social Security for over 10 years. But it is also true my father in law didn't get a chance to get ANYTHING out of the system for himself because he died of cancer before retirement age.
She'll probably get less than the total he paid in, then.
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:03 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I would just hate to see American children eating mud like they do in Haiti, now, wouldn't you?
Yep. That's why I only bore children when I knew I could afford to care for them. Why should I expect anything less than the same level of responsibility from anyone else?

And, NO, self-sufficiency ISN'T a death sentence, no matter how hysterically upset liberals get about having to be responsible for themselves.
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:05 PM
 
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A large majority of them are. 34.2% of the U.S. population is the stat I saw in HuffPo. The others just get a free ride at the expense of those who DO pay federal income tax.
BS...utter and complete BS.
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