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Old 09-21-2012, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I have told my peers that Obama's only saving grace is that Romney is horrible, not because he is doing a good job, or has done a good job. His record speaks for its self. They would argue that Romney was the "one man" that could defeat Obama, and I would tell them that he would play right into their hands.

Incumbents normally win by wider margins than the first time, Obama will not

Reagan won 49 states

Clinton easily won re-election

If people trust Obama/Democrats so much, then why isn't he ahead by 10-15 points?

The point I'm making is this:

The GOP should have gone with Newt Gingrich. He had a lot of personal baggage but that is old news. That is why liberal news media did all they could do try and de-rail him IE putting his ex-wife on TV. Democrats feared Newt because they know he is not afraid to tell it like it is, and doesn't care what the media thinks. Win or lose, he would have forced Obama to run on his record, and not to mention he would have humiliated Obama in the debates. He is a mastermind in refuting rhetoric with facts.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:37 PM
 
Location: West Egg
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I have told my peers that Obama's only saving grace is that Romney is horrible, not because he is doing a good job, or has done a good job. His record speaks for its self. They would argue that Romney was the "one man" that could defeat Obama, and I would tell them that he would play right into their hands.

Incumbents normally win by wider margins than the first time, Obama will not

Reagan won 49 states

Clinton easily won re-election

If people trust Obama/Democrats so much, then why isn't he ahead by 10-15 points?

The point I'm making is this:

The GOP should have gone with Newt Gingrich. He had a lot of personal baggage but that is old news. That is why liberal news media did all they could do try and de-rail him IE putting his ex-wife on TV. Democrats feared Newt because they know he is not afraid to tell it like it is, and doesn't care what the media thinks. Win or lose, he would have forced Obama to run on his record, and not to mention he would have humiliated Obama in the debates. He is a mastermind in refuting rhetoric with facts.
Probably not.

As bad a candidate as Romney is, he's probably better than all the rest -- with the possible exception of Huntsman.

Gingrich is, and always has been back to his Speaker days, terribly undisciplined as a candidate. He demonstrated absolutely no ability during the primaries to run a campaign. And that's not how you win Presidential elections.

As for debating -- c'mon, he couldn't debate his way past Romney and Santorum...

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Old 09-21-2012, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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This is what you get when you have a party that has become a bunch of right wing ideologues. The only moderate among the GOP candidates was Huntsman and he commanded about 2% of the GOP primary voters.

The rest displayed remarkable lack of intelligence, like Rick Perry, or clung to a series of talking points. They all were competing to see who could be the most extremist to win the nomination.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:47 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Newt would have done the unthinkable.lost some of the South, as well as the coasts the GOP usually loses. It would make McCain's electoral vote count look stellar in comparison.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:48 PM
 
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How would they get past the fact that Newt was cheating on his wife while leading the charge to impeach Clinton for the same? That's what we call a big, fat hypocrite. I dunno...does that really matter in the Republican party?
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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This is what you get when you have a party that has become a bunch of right wing ideologues. The only moderate among the GOP candidates was Huntsman and he commanded about 2% of the GOP primary voters.

The rest displayed remarkable lack of intelligence, like Rick Perry, or clung to a series of talking points. They all were competing to see who could be the most extremist to win the nomination.
You speak as if Obama is up by a large margin, and the Democrats have a serious shot of retaking the house, and they not going to lose a seat or two or maybe even control of the senate.

I have seen Newt Debate, and he dismantles liberal points one limb at a time, and leaves them speechless, and that's without the use of a teleprompter.

Romney has a whole arsenal of ammo to use against Obama, but he hasn't been able to organize it, Newt could have, not to mention Newt has a real record of accomplishments and knowledge, which dwarfs Obama's.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:52 PM
 
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Newt ran to sell his books...free publicity and exposure. Newt's seriousness abut runninig was serious as Trump's.

Newt would never win the popular vote anyway. The rest of the group with the exception of Huntsman, were far too right wing. These are the very reasons that Romney became the candidate in the first place
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:56 PM
 
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This is what you get when you have a party that has become a bunch of right wing ideologues. The only moderate among the GOP candidates was Huntsman and he commanded about 2% of the GOP primary voters.

The rest displayed remarkable lack of intelligence, like Rick Perry, or clung to a series of talking points. They all were competing to see who could be the most extremist to win the nomination.



Screw the moderates, it's time to get serious before the abyss.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:58 PM
 
Location: NJ
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the Democrats have a serious shot of retaking the house, and they not going to lose a seat or two or maybe even control of the senate..
Wouldn't matter. The national electoral map for POTUS for the GOP is simple, hold all the South, take Ohio, Virginia, and at minimum either Pa or Fl. Newt could never do that.

PS, GOP Senators and Congressmen would win those states, at the same time.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:00 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Screw the moderates, it's time to get serious before the abyss.
Moderates, as always, will decide the next POTUS. With or without your consent.
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