Obama is a Communist. Why do you support him? (9/11, Reed, independent)
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A right-leaning centrist??? You have got to be kidding me!
Specific realms:
1. General Motors - Obama's use of OUR taxdollars to "save" GM's Auto Workers Union at the expense of shareholders and investors, making us all part-owners of the company.
2. Obamacare - forcing taxation upon individuals to buy insurance or be fined so that "everyone" can have health care
3. 2009 ARRA - using OUR taxdollars to pay for bankrupt green energy companies as well as educational "programs" which have never been vetted or proven successful but which promote Obama's socialist agenda.
I think that's about $3.5 Trillion worth of socialistic "ownership of goods".
thanks for doing my homework for me. Because my point is made if that's the best you've got. None of those things are radical or without precedent.
The government saved Chrysler in the Carter and Reagan area.
ObamaCare was a Republican idea in the 1990s and the mandate was a Heritage Foundation idea supported by Newt Gingrich.
We currently subsidize oil companies and have been doing so for many years. Are you suggesting it's not communist to support oil companies but when it has to do with renewable energy it turns into communism? Your point is silly.
thanks for doing my homework for me. Because my point is made if that's the best you've got. None of those things are radical or without precedent.
The government saved Chrysler in the Carter and Reagan area.
ObamaCare was a Republican idea in the 1990s and the mandate was a Heritage Foundation idea supported by Newt Gingrich.
We currently subsidize oil companies and have been doing so for many years. Are you suggesting it's not communist to support oil companies but when it has to do with renewable energy it turns into communism? Your point is silly.
Reagan had NOTHING to do with the Chrysler bailout - that was pure Carter, previously the worst Democratic President before Obama. And let's take a look at the details - while Congress passed the bill, not only was it for only $1.5B, it was stipulated that Chrysler had to obtain PRIVATE financing and that .gov was merely a co-signer: What Was The Chrysler Bailout? - Political History: The Chrysler Bail Out Compare that with $50.7B to GM, of which American taxpayers will probably never get back over $25B! General Motors | Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica
Boy, you sure do want to try and blame Republicans for Obama's socialist agenda, don't you? Obamacare was shoved through on a completely partisan basis. The ONLY reason it has stood as Constitutional is because for some unexplained reason, Justice Roberts ruled it a TAX.
What do oil company subsidies have to do with the 2009 Porkulus bill? Apples and oranges. Go do more homework.
"The notion that Barack Obama is a socialist ranks among the greatest fairy tales in American society — right up there with the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and the idea that if you work hard enough your children will live a better life than you," Socialist Party spokeswoman Lynn Lomibao said in an email. "Socialists know what Obama is: another corporate-funded politician placed in the White House to protect the wealth and status of the 1 percent."
Reagan had NOTHING to do with the Chrysler bailout - that was pure Carter, previously the worst Democratic President before Obama. And let's take a look at the details - while Congress passed the bill, not only was it for only $1.5B, it was stipulated that Chrysler had to obtain PRIVATE financing and that .gov was merely a co-signer: What Was The Chrysler Bailout? - Political History: The Chrysler Bail Out Compare that with $50.7B to GM, of which American taxpayers will probably never get back over $25B! General Motors | Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica
Boy, you sure do want to try and blame Republicans for Obama's socialist agenda, don't you? Obamacare was shoved through on a completely partisan basis. The ONLY reason it has stood as Constitutional is because for some unexplained reason, Justice Roberts ruled it a TAX.
What do oil company subsidies have to do with the 2009 Porkulus bill? Apples and oranges. Go do more homework.
So, Carter was a Communist too?
It doesn't matter how the ACA was passed. What is relevant to this discussion is its origins, which was the Heritage Foundation and its support was firmly Republicans. So, unless you are claiming that Republicans in the 1990s were communists, your argument has no merit.
Communism is not what is threatening the USA...Plutocracy is.
Uh, oh....
Now you're confusing this thread with another $4 word they don't know anything about!
But, of course, you're right on the mark. America is never going to be a Communist country, but we are on the close to of becoming a post-Communist Russia, and getting closer every day.
Although the Fabian Socialists, like the Marxist Socialists, have always attempted to present themselves as the bitter opponents of the "wealthy capitalists", the truth is that both groups were helped decisively in their activities at critical periods in their history by powerful financial groups.
Roosevelt, an ex-international banker of wide experience and former attorney for international bankers had considerable wealth. It did not prevent him from enthusiastically accepting the advice and support of the Fabian Socialists.
President John Kennedy, Roosevelt's spiritual successor, did not find his wealth a barrier to the acceptance of the advice he received from Fabian Socialist advisers. Kennedy was a product of Harvard University, a hot-bed of Fabian Socialism. Obama is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School.
Roosevelt practiced law for a whopping 3 years before he won his first election at age 28. While he did come from a wealthy family, a beginning lawyer at 25 is not much more than a law clerk, especially back in those days. He didn't have 'wide experience' at all. Once he won his first state senate race, he was a politician for the rest of his life. After speaking for Woodrow Wilson in the Democratic convention of 1912, Wilson appointed him Undersecretary of the Navy.
If you're getting so much wrong about his beginnings, how much of the rest have you misunderstood afterward?
It doesn't matter how the ACA was passed. What is relevant to this discussion is its origins, which was the Heritage Foundation and its support was firmly Republicans. So, unless you are claiming that Republicans in the 1990s were communists, your argument has no merit.
Of COURSE it matters how Obamadoesn'tCare was passed! It wasn't bi-partisan, 65% of the American people were strongly opposed, nobody read the 2700 page monstrosity and tyrant Nancy Piglosi couldn't tell the American people 1/2700th of what is even in the bill! Obamadoesn'tCare is TYRANNY and TYRANNY is the communist/Marxist's ruling meme of choice! Your attribution of a mention of an individual mandate back in the 1990's by the Heritage Foundation which was never supported or brought to the floor during the Hilarycare battle, is irrelevant, an erroneous attribution to the GOP, and a red herring to this discussion.
Most socialists and communists don't identify with the label, for it tars their image in public, considering the negatives of socialism.
I'd say most democrats are true socialists.
Okay. Sez you. Are you the great arbiter of all things? Nope. That's just one guy's opinion. Nothing more.
I could say the Teabaggers are all true fascists, but I won't. That would be just as stupid.
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