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Old 10-03-2012, 08:10 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Say you're a Republican in California, your vote is going to be useless in this election, so why not make your voice heard by giving support to a 3rd party?

Imagine if every Red state gave 40% support to 3rd parties. Imagine if every Blue state did the same. We'd have an election that was still clearly decided based on the electoral college, but we'd also give 3rd party candidates and ideas a chance to truly appear on the national stage. In the next election, maybe 3rd party candidates would be included in the election process by the media/debates.

My proposal to you all is this:
If you are a Democrat in a state like Alabama where your candidate obviously won't win, try voting for a Green Party, Libertarian or Reform candidate for president.
If you are a Republican in a state like California where your candidate obviously won't win, try voting for a Green Party, Libertarian or Reform candidate for president.

The results of the election will be the same, but the boost to the third parties will be immense and will carry over into the years to come.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:24 PM
 
Location: West Egg
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Originally Posted by ThinkBeforeYouVote View Post
Say you're a Republican in California, your vote is going to be useless in this election, so why not make your voice heard by giving support to a 3rd party?

Imagine if every Red state gave 40% support to 3rd parties. Imagine if every Blue state did the same. We'd have an election that was still clearly decided based on the electoral college, but we'd also give 3rd party candidates and ideas a chance to truly appear on the national stage. In the next election, maybe 3rd party candidates would be included in the election process by the media/debates.

My proposal to you all is this:
If you are a Democrat in a state like Alabama where your candidate obviously won't win, try voting for a Green Party, Libertarian or Reform candidate for president.
If you are a Republican in a state like California where your candidate obviously won't win, try voting for a Green Party, Libertarian or Reform candidate for president.

The results of the election will be the same, but the boost to the third parties will be immense and will carry over into the years to come.
No party would get any meaningful boost.

Two main parties are an inherent aspect of our first-past-the-post system. Those two major parties will always align themselves to each roughly occupy half of the domestic political spectrum. When that spectrum shifts, the natural dynamics of those two main parties will be to re-arrange themselves accordingly. This is why we've always had two main parties since the development of parties in the late 1790s, save for the brief one-party Era Of Good Feelings -- which itself was unstable and soon inevitably led to that party fracturing into two (not three or more, but two) major parties.

Duverger's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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In political science, Duverger's law is a principle which asserts that a plurality rule election system tends to favor a two-party system. This is one of two hypotheses proposed by Duverger, the second stating that "the double ballot majority system and proportional representation tend to multipartism."[1]

The discovery of this tendency is attributed to Maurice Duverger, a French sociologist who observed the effect and recorded it in several papers published in the 1950s and 1960s. In the course of further research, other political scientists began calling the effect a "law" or principle. Duverger's law suggests a nexus or synthesis between a party system and an electoral system: a proportional representation (PR) system creates the electoral conditions necessary to foster party development while a plurality system marginalizes many smaller political parties, resulting in what is known as a two-party system.

What became of the Reform Party? George Wallace's American Independent Party? Strom Thurmond's State's Rights Party? The Progressive Party? The Bull Moose party? The Populist Party? All had major showings exceeding 5% of the vote in Presidential elections, and all soon disappeared. The only reason the Republican Party managed to survive was that it was formed out of the collapse of the Whigs. And the obvious reality is that neither the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party are going to collapse and give way to the Green Party or the Libertarian Party, no matter how badly certain people might wish it so.

Vote for who you wish, but viable third parties are the gold at the end of the rainbow.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:27 PM
 
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In reality voting 3rd party is wasting your vote 3rd candidate will not win 1 signal signal state and not get a total of 10mill or even 20mill votes
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:29 PM
 
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i wasted vote is a vote for someone you don't support.
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