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Old 10-11-2012, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Columbus
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Wonder why Doctors prefer Romney over Obama?
Might be that they are terrified of losing their mega, mega bucks from the Insurance companies that we pay for with higher and higher premiums. It is shown that high medical costs and NOT Obamacare is the major reasons premiums are going up. Maybe the Doctors are scared that they cannot request repeat tests over and over, even though the tests have already been done and no need for more tests.
Seems that the "Gravy Train" might be on it's final journey if Obama gets in.
You're getting away from the Democrat talking points here.

When Obama first took office he blamed doctors for rising costs. Accused them of repeat test and unecassry surgeries. The American public knew it was a lie so he changed the lie to say insurance comapnies are at fault.

Now get back to being a good liberal lemming and blame insurance companies, not doctors.
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:35 AM
 
Location: it depends
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Wonder why Doctors prefer Romney over Obama?
Might be that they are terrified of losing their mega, mega bucks from the Insurance companies that we pay for with higher and higher premiums. It is shown that high medical costs and NOT Obamacare is the major reasons premiums are going up. Maybe the Doctors are scared that they cannot request repeat tests over and over, even though the tests have already been done and no need for more tests.
Seems that the "Gravy Train" might be on it's final journey if Obama gets in.
Could also be that they are tired of Obama castigating those whose hard work and talents and effort have landed them in the upper 10% of income earners, where they pay the largest fraction of their income to federal income tax of any group, 70% of all income taxes collected--yet this isn't their "fair share."
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:48 AM
 
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Of course- the 30% cuts in medicare which are mandated (they have been in the past as well, but Obamacare requires these cuts to fund it) will force us to stop seeing medicare patients. That, of course, will create a healthcare crisis for seniors.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Of course- the 30% cuts in medicare which are mandated (they have been in the past as well, but Obamacare requires these cuts to fund it) will force us to stop seeing medicare patients. That, of course, will create a healthcare crisis for seniors.
It will all be blamed on Bush of course.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:35 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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I don't know what type of doctors you are associated with, but I know of none who foolishly order tests for profit. I have had the experience of spending a large portion of almost two decades in and out of the hospital and at doctors' appointments with children who have serious health problems. I have spent weeks at a time at four different hospitals, including almost a one-year in-patient stay at the end. In all those years, I met one a-hole doctor who seemed to care more about himself than my child. All the other doctors' number one priority was to help their patients, and sometimes this came at a cost to family time or personal time, but it was because they truly cared. I have zero doubt about that. For people to call them greedy is rude, misinformed, full of jealousy, envy, and greed of their own.
The whole set up of the health care system here is for profit so please don't be so naive to think that the Doctors sending people for duplicate tests or prescribng certain drugs isn't for profit and isn't still happening here.
I was in the ER recently with someone who had pneumonia... a temp of 102 and severe breathing problems. After a 6 hour wait in casualty with the person i was with feeling extremely ill and i mean extremely..... one guy was laying on the ER floor as his back pain was so ba he couldn't sit on a chair and he was also there for hours..... the person in was with was asked if she had health insurance and she said no. When we finally saw the Doctor e did some lood tests and a chest scan.... diagnosd Pneumonia, gave the person i was with some anti-biotics and a prescription and sent her home..... this would NEVER happen in the UK or any country with a UHC She was severely ill when we left but still taken to the payment room and asked for $6,500 but i she paid there and then it was just under $2000 special pay now rate... what is this... buying a used auto?
In the OK she would have been admitted into a ward, examined and kept in as a patient until she was fully recovered... she wasn't admitted here because she had no insurance and they were worried she couldn't pay the Hospital fees. She has now also, on top of the first $6,500 recived two more bills... one for the Doctor of $1,000 for his probably twenty minutes of being with the patient and another $900 for lab tests................ you tell me that is OK.

Americans are willing to pay actors (sometimes not highly educated) multiple millions of dollars a year so they can make us laugh for a minute, and in return our money allows them to party, sometimes do drugs, buy extravagant crap they don't need, and try to suppress the freedom of speech of their peers. But let a doctor make $500K or so after spending many sleepless nights studying for 12 or more years, using that knowledge to try to solve mysteries of the human body, balance the art of using strong medicine and/or intricate surgical procedures without killing us, breaking the worst news anyone can hear, and at the same time trying not to get emotionally attached to the patient or family.....and that's greed to some people. That attitude makes me sick.
I don't care if it's a Doctor, Actor or anyone............. Greed is Greed. I'm sure there are some Doctors here who would love to actually do the job of Doctor without worrying about if the insurance company will approve or not any of his treatments etc but most Doctors here know the system and know the HUGE amounts of money to be made by playing the insurance company game... every drug that they prescribe, they get a "incentive" from the pharmaceutical company etc. I know many Doctors both here and Europe and i know both mindsets........... for many Doctors here, going into medicine is for the prestige, money and then the patients... in Europe it is Patients, prestige and then the money and their are NO poor Doctors in the UK and if a UK Doctor wants mega money they can work for the NHS and have private practices or even move into just the private field but whatever a Doctor decides it is NOT to the detriment of his patients because of the patients lack of funds.

I assume you're kidding about the first question. Most members of the house and senate haven't even read the whole thing because it's a 2,000+ page jumbled up mess. Large corporations have hired tax attorneys and accountants to try to figure out what the bill means to the future of their business and NO ONE KNOWS! Doctors have attempted to comprehend the entire thing and see the big picture and it's impossible. They don't even know what to expect except for the healthcare system to decline.
So a bill that hasn't been read by many and hasn't yet been implemented is now being blamed for many high costs and unemployment etc..... even though the accusers DO NOT know what is in the bill or how it is going to affect them because there is absolutely no data yet to know how Obamacare will affect us
Is that correct? So something they THINK MIGHT HAPPEN is now fact to these anti-obamacare minds?

I do know this. Starting Oct. 1 of this year, hospitals will get penalized if a patient comes back in less than 30 days. Let that marinate for a while. In 2015 doctors will be paid based on 'results.' That means diabetics with higher A1Cs will be turned away from their doctors because they can't afford for their 'score' to go down. My sister is a type 1 diabetic and the endocronologist has already warned the patients. This might make them more diligent in taking care of themselves, but sometimes more severe situations can't be avoided so the patient will lose healthcare when they need it the most. Doctors can't move into the house with every one of their patients and check their blood sugar and grab unhealthy food from their mouths, so they should not be held accountable for something they can't control. This is an absurd policy. The bill also totally kills incentives to invest in inventing new technology, so the much hoped-for continuous glucometer combined with the pump will probably fall by the wayside. So much for better screening, new antibotics, etc. It's a slow death, at the very least, to quality of life.
So doesn't that tell you how screwed up the American system is that when Doctors become accountable for their actions, it is once again the PATIENTS who suffer if their is a problem. So you think their should be NO ACCOUNTABILTY by the Doctors?
In the USA under the present system... NOT obamacare, many don't get health cover if they have a chronic illness as the Insurance companies will NOT cover them.
I am diabetic and i have been for over 40 years. ALL of my diabetic medicines and equipment are free in the UK and because i am classed as "chronic sick" ANY drugs i am prescribed for ANYTHING is free too. I attend regular Diabetic clinics and see a specialist Diabetic Doctor every 6 months. I stay in the UK for a few months of the year and still get great health treatment when i'm there. When i'm here it's a completely different story..... ANY unsulin that i want to have is EXPENSIVE and if i didn't have the NHS for my supplies it would cost e a lot of money every month.... i have checked prices and spoken to diabetic friends here who are now buying their supplies from Canada as they are way too expensive here.
I actualy know the difference between a Govt. funded health system and the American system.... both ststems get their share of newspaper horror stories that mostly are untrue but sell papers and get viewers, but i know from my own experience and NOT from hearsay, that the American system is one of the worst and most expensive in the World. Unfortunately most here only know this system and don't realise what a "rip off" it really is.

I want everyone to have healthcare, but it's going to take more than a bunch of partisan politicians using their imagination about what might work and then forcing it on the entire country without as much as a trial run in a state that wants to volunteer to try the model. Gov. Romney knows what works and doesn't work and his model is not the same as Obamacare. Even if it was, the federal government has no business trying to run healthcare when they can't even pass a budget.
The Mass. Romney healthcare is virtually the same as Obamacare.
As far as the Govt. forcing healthcare on anyone..... with a Govt. funded health system, NO ONE is forced to go see a Doctor but if they need a Doctor they can go without fear of not having enough money to pay for their visit, hospital stay or being diagnosed with a chronic illness or any illness in case they can't afford to pay for the treatment.
This federal Govt RUN healthcare would be completely false with a Govt. funded health system here.
America could do what Taiwan did..... look at all of the systems around the World and pick the best aspects to use here .... Taiwan said they looked at the USA model and rejected it immediately.
The Govt, does NOT run the health service they FUND it.... Medical professionals actually run the system NOT the Govt. At the moment here CEO'S run our health service,,,, NOT health professionals... Doctors can only do whatever the Insurance Companies will allow or pay for. Your fears of a Govt. not being able pass a budget is a mute point here s the Govt. DOESN'T run the health service .... health professionals do....... GOT IT NOW?


I don't know what Gov. Romney's stand on tort reform is, but the republicans offered a plan that included that, along with selling across state lines which would also make a HUGE difference. You might not be old enough to remember what a long distance call used to cost when AT&T dominated just like Blue Cross Blue Shield does in many states. It was ridiculous. Gov. Romney wants to REPEAL and REPLACE Obamacare because in its present form it's junk. He wants to keep the things that make sense like letting people stay on their parents' insurance until they are 26. He helped to pass a bi-partisan bill in Massachusetts. He didn't use taxpayer dollars to fly in a senator who was out of town visiting a sick relative just to bully the bill through like Obama did. Healthcare reform can and should be done but not with all the willy-nilly feel-good ideas that won't work in the real world and will in fact, make our economy and our health worse.
You don't know Gov. Romney's stance on tort reform because he hasn't got one..... simple.
Being able to buy insurance across State lines will not help anyone because all of the Insurance companies will sell at roughly the same Premiums as they fall into line but you will find the Cheaper Premiums in some States will rise to the higher denominator NOT the lower one..... You ever seen a Insurance Company significantly lower prices?
Romney has said he is going to COMPLETEY repeal Obamacare..... when he said he would leave things like pre-existing conditions in the debate.... his senior advisor after the debate, when asked about this, said it was untrue...... Romney is trying to mop up the people worried about pre-conditions, their children etc by simply lying about it.
In Australia there was uproar by the Insurance Companies and Doctor's about their healthcare system, just like here, when their Govt. said they were introducing a National Health Service and much scaremongering was taking place...... The P.M. there said enough is enough and implimented a NHS and the Doctors are still doing great and the Australian Health System is a success and covers EVERYONE. I have family in Oz and they say the NHS there is a million times better than the expensive private health system that they had before. NO other Country with a UHC is having this heated debate about it's helthcare or how it affects jobs etc ......... Want to take a WILD GUESS why????????????????
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:45 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Could also be that they are tired of Obama castigating those whose hard work and talents and effort have landed them in the upper 10% of income earners, where they pay the largest fraction of their income to federal income tax of any group, 70% of all income taxes collected--yet this isn't their "fair share."
Doctors in the UK, Europe, Taiwan and most of the other industrialised nations also pay their Doctors well but the Doctor's do NOT put mega high earnings before patients care as they do here. Please don't even try to say that most Doctors here DON'T put your wallet before your treatment.... they do.
I trained in a UK Medical School, which there are far more in the UK than here, and i know exactly what work goes into becoming a Doctor and i also know how Doctors abroad just cannot understand why Ameria clings onto a health system that is Dictated to by big corporations and CEO's.
No one says Doctor's shouldn't get great salaries and even be able to work in the Private sector too if they want mega, mega bucks BUT we need good bsic health system that caters for everyone with good salaries for the professionals............. NO POOR DOCTORS in the UK.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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How DARE those greedy doctors close their doors when they're losing money or barely breaking even?
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:00 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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How DARE those greedy doctors close their doors when they're losing money or barely breaking even?
I wouldn't call having a luxury ifestyle barely breaking even.
Now if the Doctors want to see what breaking even is.... go see the millions here with low paid job's waiting tables or in our shops working long hours for below poverty salaries. Look at the people with degrees etc working in our consumer industries because they cannot get decent jobs because of the rescession.
Doctors do very very well on other peoples misery and intend to keep it that way.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I wouldn't call having a luxury ifestyle barely breaking even.
Now if the Doctors want to see what breaking even is.... go see the millions here with low paid job's waiting tables or in our shops working long hours for below poverty salaries. Look at the people with degrees etc working in our consumer industries because they cannot get decent jobs because of the rescession.
Doctors do very very well on other peoples misery and intend to keep it that way.
I guess they're a little less miserable considering they chose a lot wiser on their field of study. 150K in debt with a good job or 100K in debt for a gender studies degree and no job. Hmm....
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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If people are nothing more than money-making tools, the sicker they are, the better some businesses will thrive. And I am sure, Romney with a business background, couldn't agree more.
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