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Old 10-15-2012, 10:08 AM
 
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Obama never served, either. What's your point?
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:09 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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How on earth can people support someone who protested in FAVOR of the Vietnam war and then fled to France?

This is the kind of cowardice and hypocrisy that should be just as important to voters as Romney saying he does not care about 47% of Americans.

At least Romney can say his words were taken out of context, but there is no disputing that, like George W. Bush before him, he tucked tail and avoided serving in Vietnam when he had the chance. Even W. didn't flee to France, though.
And in which branch of the service did the President serve?
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:10 AM
 
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There doesn't have to be a 'war' to join the military. Maybe he should have joined during peace time. It would certainly have been impressive on his CV, especially if he had political aspirations, as opposed to 'community service'.
Maybe Obama should have joined during peacetime as well, then.
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Old 10-15-2012, 10:12 AM
 
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Just what i thought...the thread degenerating into a melee about who served and who didn't.
If the OP's beef is that Romney never served, it is only fair to point out that Obama never served either.
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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If the OP's beef is that Romney never served, it is only fair to point out that Obama never served either.
My 'beef' is that this conscious-less android named Mitt Romney protested in favor of the Vietnam war, then tucked tail and fled to France, where he was far from the shooting. This same android has 5 sons who also never served, and you can bet he will gladly send someone elses sons and daughters to fight and die in their stupid wars.

I don't remember President Obama protesting in favor of the Iraq war, and that is because he spoke out against the Iraq war.
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:44 PM
 
Location: right here
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Great idea! The hell with focusing on jobs and the economy! This election is all about "important issues," so let's just dig up dirt on both candidates!

And don't forget the all important.....Big Bird.
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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How on earth can people support someone who protested in FAVOR of the Vietnam war and then fled to France?

This is the kind of cowardice and hypocrisy that should be just as important to voters as Romney saying he does not care about 47% of Americans.

At least Romney can say his words were taken out of context, but there is no disputing that, like George W. Bush before him, he tucked tail and avoided serving in Vietnam when he had the chance. Even W. didn't flee to France, though.
Cause the other candidate was busy smokin' da weed.
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Old 10-15-2012, 08:09 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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I agree. Thankfully, he didn't draft dodge. He was eligible for the draft in the 1969 draft lottery and his number didn't come up.

Can you clarify the difference between a military intervention and an all-out war for those who don't know how they differ?

As someone who believes he's centrist, I spend an awful lot of time defending the right. I wondered why that was this morning and I think the reason is that the right uses name-calling and ad hominem attacks using socialist as a means to attack people they disagree. The left uses easily disproven accusations and associations of Nazihood to demonize those they disagree with. While I just roll my eyes at the socialist moniker, the ridiculous left sound more reasonable than the ridiculous right until they get angry. Then, facts go out the window on both sides.

By the way: Google 'Romney deferral' for evidence of what I'd said. Or simply hit ctrl-f and type in 'draft' and then hit next to get to the relevant part showing he didn't come up in the 69 draft:

Mitt Romney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Romney wasn't a draft dodger. He did what he believed was his religious duty, then wasn't called to the draft. That's it. No conspiracy here or cowardly running away.

Military intervention usually consist of "advisors" or other being sent in to quell the probelm, CIA or civilian couterparts are normally on the scene.

Full out war takes Congress to declare war and has to go through a more complicated hoops and barrels

The full definition is as follows:
Difference Between War and Conflict | Difference Between


Now like I mentioned before is that rather mitt dodged the draft or not is not as important to me as he promoting something that he nor his sons will never that part in. This to me defines cowardice at it's highest form.
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Old 10-15-2012, 08:11 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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I got one for ya....

how about obama run on his record instread of making stuff up about Romney ?


novel idea for a democrat, I know....

Here is one for you.... How about mitt quit changing positions every two years, or better yet STOP LYING
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Old 10-15-2012, 08:33 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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There doesn't have to be a 'war' to join the military. Maybe he should have joined during peace time. It would certainly have been impressive on his CV, especially if he had political aspirations, as opposed to 'community service'.
Quick question. When and why would he need to join the military? Looking at his life I see that he is only 3 years older than I am and I had no intentions of joining the military but fate deemed otherwise.

Lets see, he graduated from high school and went to college (4 years) obtained a law degree (3 years), Now I ask you who in their right mind goes to an Ivy League school with a law degree and than goes into the military? Oh btw, he became familiar with regular people (community organizer) which for some reason the right makes it to be such a bad thing before entering law school. Apparently he was good enough to pass the BAR exam and ended up teaching for 8 years before running for political office.

Now again with these credentials why in the hell would he join the military? I sure would not have, especially since there was no war or conflicts at the time. Besides guess what he would have been the military anyway......A freaking lawyer! Would you have taken a massive paycut to join?

Mitt situation is a hell of alot different, there was a conflict which he was more than gladly to have it deferred for religious reasons. My question that you posed to Obama is why did'nt mitt serve? Mitt has a degree in business (no big whoop there) and he went straight into the business world, with help from his father. mitt has very little in common with the 47% that he disdains. His business accumen that many people on the right are clamoring about has very little to do with running the country which entails diplomacy and the ability to comprimise with others that are different from yourself, which mitt has proven he is not fully comfortable with. Remember Bush and cheney were also stewarts of the business world as well.
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