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Old 10-24-2012, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I saw that too. Polling must be tough this year my guess is that folks who answer are engaged and messing with pollsters. Should be said the pollster is a Democrat firm. Does work for Dem clients.
Yes. I have read that the response rates this year are much lower than usual. When only 1 in 35 agrees to be interviewed, you have to wonder if the sample is really random scientifically or is approaching self-selection polls like on the internet or something. Are those who agree to be interviewed truly representative of the population being sampled? Are they more partisan? More interested in the election? I am taking all robos with a very large grain of salt, and the traditional ones (who don't have much better response rates) with only a somewhat smaller grain. What I have noticed is that the robos tend more to Romney than the traditionals seem to by a couple points. But that is mostly impression and I have not really examined it. The election is so close that, in the end, most all the polls will be able to argue that they predicted the outcome within the margin of error regardless of how flawed their methodologies were.

 
Old 10-24-2012, 11:43 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Yes. I have read that the response rates this year are much lower than usual. When only 1 in 35 agrees to be interviewed, you have to wonder if the sample is really random scientifically or is approaching self-selection polls like on the internet or something. Are those who agree to be interviewed truly representative of the population being sampled? Are they more partisan? More interested in the election? I am taking all robos with a very large grain of salt, and the traditional ones (who don't have much better response rates) with only a somewhat smaller grain. What I have noticed is that the robos tend more to Romney than the traditionals seem to by a couple points. But that is mostly impression and I have not really examined it. The election is so close that, in the end, most all the polls will be able to argue that they predicted the outcome within the margin of error regardless of how flawed their methodologies were.
While I tend to follow the state polls for a better indication of the electoral race, have also heard that almost all the state polls (unlike the nationals) are actually robos. Does anyone know how true that actually might be?
 
Old 10-25-2012, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Default Per CNN

Minimum 500,000 more registered Democrats than Republicans in the State of Florida.

Latino population support now over 61% for the President in Florida, 71% National.
 
Old 10-25-2012, 09:07 AM
 
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no state polls yet today. has been quiet.
 
Old 10-25-2012, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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no state polls yet today. has been quiet.
Nobody wants to talk about the Time Magazine poll that has Obama leading by FIVE points in Ohio?
 
Old 10-25-2012, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I'm just waiting for the Rasmussen/Gravis Marketing poll that puts Romney up 3 points in Illinois.
 
Old 10-25-2012, 09:30 AM
 
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Nobody wants to talk about the Time Magazine poll that has Obama leading by FIVE points in Ohio?
that was yesterday though
 
Old 10-25-2012, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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that was yesterday though
Still. Nobody talked about it. I thought we would at least hear accusations of liberal bias, "Mittmentum," something.
 
Old 10-25-2012, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Nobody wants to talk about the Time Magazine poll that has Obama leading by FIVE points in Ohio?
We talked about it up thread. It's garbage but hold onto it if you like. Heck even Chuck Todd said Dems tell him privately Ohio is tied.

The Time people have been vigorously defending the poll on Twitter to little avail, too many holes.
 
Old 10-25-2012, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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no state polls yet today. has been quiet.
PPP had a VA poll showing Obama up 5 however it was done for a liberal client so it's not included in the RCP average.

NBC Marist will release CO & NV @ 6:30PM

Rasmussen tweeted out he'll have PA & MI results today but then pulled the tweet. Looks like a slow day today.
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