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Old 10-18-2012, 08:08 PM
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It is beginning to look as if either candidate has the possibility of winning a majority of electoral college votes while losing in the popular vote.

Coming so soon -- relatively speaking -- after Bush/Gore, what effect do you think this outcome might have on the country? On our political system? On our image around the world?
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:11 PM
 
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I'm not sure, but sometimes I think it would be better to go with popular vote instead of electoral votes. That way everyone's vote really would count; they wouldn't feel like it was useless to vote if they lived in a red or blue state and they were the opposite. I think more people would come out to vote if they knew every vote counted.
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:42 PM
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Without the electoral the Cons would never get into the white house.I will never see this change in my life time.
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:48 PM
 
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Without the electoral the Cons would never get into the white house.I will never see this change in my life time.
Yeah, I guess Bush lost the popular vote in 2004, too. What a crock, and the sad thing is you really believe it.

If it would happen again people will huff and puff but nothing will change.
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Old 10-18-2012, 11:10 PM
 
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it does seem wrong that my obama vote in idaho will hold essentially no weight in the election.. and it also seems wrong that people in states like ohio iowa and wisconsin get to matter more than anyone else's. But we are a republic with representative voting in many areas.. so.. long story short.. I'm torn... I really think the president should be the popular vote so that everyone's individual vote has value. I think it would also encourage better voter turn out.
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:04 AM
 
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Without the electoral the Cons would never get into the white house.
As presently constituted, because the GOP has become geared to the particular interests of the red-state bloc. But if abolition of the EC were to move both parties toward the national center, rather than their red/blue sectional interests, I think many people in the US would approve the change.

In general, the Electoral College is an absurd anachronism and has been acknowledged as such for at least a century by virtually everyone who has seriously considered the issue and do not have a partisan stake in the status quo. The Madisonian constitution we're stuck with is virtually impossible to change - only two amendments (12 & 17) have changed the actual constitutional structure, as opposed to limitations on power, or the relationship of the state to the citizen, or amendments dealing with social-structure or purely social issues such as civil rights or prohibition. So the chance of an amendment abolishing the EC is very remote. But that chance goes up slightly if the GOP loses this year, and begins to re-think its red-state strategy in favor of seriously competing nationwide, including in the high-population northeastern and western "blue" states. Because the only way the GOP gets at conservative voters in NY or CA is through a direct election.
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:27 AM
 
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Take what happened in Florida in 2000.

Now project that nonsense onto what a NATIONAL recount would turn into.

Having an election by popular vote is not such a good idea after all.
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:29 AM
 
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Default Odds are the winner of popular vote will also win EC BUT:

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It is beginning to look as if either candidate has the possibility of winning a majority of electoral college votes while losing in the popular vote.

Coming so soon -- relatively speaking -- after Bush/Gore, what effect do you think this outcome might have on the country? On our political system? On our image around the world?
If 1 candidate wins the popular vote and loses the election, if will be BO because Romney is going to win 20 more of the 2 votes awarded to the states for the Senators....just like Bush did in 2000.
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:32 AM
 
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Default Electoral College is genius

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it does seem wrong that my obama vote in idaho will hold essentially no weight in the election.. and it also seems wrong that people in states like ohio iowa and wisconsin get to matter more than anyone else's. But we are a republic with representative voting in many areas.. so.. long story short.. I'm torn... I really think the president should be the popular vote so that everyone's individual vote has value. I think it would also encourage better voter turn out.
I was in favor of a popular vote untill I saw what happened in 2000. We know that Dems are more dishonest than Reps....that's a given. If you let Dem run areas like Chicago go, they'll have millions more votes than residents so their weight on the election will exceed their population.
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Old 10-19-2012, 08:39 AM
 
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As presently constituted, because the GOP has become geared to the particular interests of the red-state bloc. But if abolition of the EC were to move both parties toward the national center, rather than their red/blue sectional interests, I think many people in the US would approve the change.

In general, the Electoral College is an absurd anachronism and has been acknowledged as such for at least a century by virtually everyone who has seriously considered the issue and do not have a partisan stake in the status quo. The Madisonian constitution we're stuck with is virtually impossible to change - only two amendments (12 & 17) have changed the actual constitutional structure, as opposed to limitations on power, or the relationship of the state to the citizen, or amendments dealing with social-structure or purely social issues such as civil rights or prohibition. So the chance of an amendment abolishing the EC is very remote. But that chance goes up slightly if the GOP loses this year, and begins to re-think its red-state strategy in favor of seriously competing nationwide, including in the high-population northeastern and western "blue" states. Because the only way the GOP gets at conservative voters in NY or CA is through a direct election.
States are free to apportion electors based on the vote which would be something akin to a popular vote.
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