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Old 11-07-2012, 10:06 AM
 
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Fellow Republicans,

I don't want to hear anyone say that we lost this because we aren't conservative enough. In order to win future elections in this changing demographic we HAVE to moderate on some of the less significant issues. Republicans can no longer be (or appear to be) anti-gay, anti-minority, anti-government, or anti-women's choice issues....
If things like these are "less significant" to you and your party, you're lost. And, BTW, the party is fooling no one but itself if it (appears to be) in synch with these things. Wake up; it's the 21st century!

FWIW: I'm glad to hear that you think being anti-government is a low priority on your list. If you can actually get others in your party to see things that way, we might actually have a productive next four years.

 
Old 11-07-2012, 10:13 AM
 
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“The conservative movement should have particular appeal to people in minority and immigrant communities who are trying to make it, and Republicans need to work harder than ever to communicate our beliefs to them,” said Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.),
This is laughable. What beliefs does the GOP have that could possibly appeal to minorities and immigrants? Racism and deportation and building an electric fence? Tax breaks for the very very rich? Corporations are people?
The GOP has not one single idea that could possibly appeal to minorities (I include gays and women). It is utterly hijacked by the tiny Tea Party, as extremist a group of know-nothings as has emerged in modern American history. Rich right-wing Republicans bought the Tea Party, funded it, all for their own greedy selfish corporate interests, and they lost.
Americans aren't stupid.
If the Congressional Republicans don't settle down and cooperate with President Obama and their Democrat colleagues in the next two years to fix the problems in this country, then the GOP may find itself in a worse position than it's in today.
As for Rubio being a future leader of the GOP--or Christie, or Jindal, or Ryan--well, fine. If that's the best the GOP can do, fine. The GOP is the party of no substance, all PR (that's Public Relations, not Puerto Rican). Anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-abortion, anti-health care, anti-Medicare, anti-government, anti-everything. Not one single reaonable idea among the whole flaming group of them.
Racism and Fox News didn't work this time, and it will fail even more next time. Either the GOP moves into the mainstream and cooperates, or it goes into the wilderness.
 
Old 11-07-2012, 10:17 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Looking at the people attending the RNC and at the Republican headquarters last night showed how the Right are not the Party of today's America. Looking at the DNC and the Democratic headquarters last night, we saw that the Deomocratic party IS the colors of America.
For the GOP to become in anyway viable they must ditch the hate speech from their desciples Rush, Hannity, Coulter, Beck, Rove etc etc etc etc and realise that America is foe EVERYone here not just the top 1%.
 
Old 11-07-2012, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Whereever we have our RV parked
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IMHO, the GOP is finished as a viable party, and I'm a life long Republican. If the party basically becomes just slightly less liberal than the democrats to try to appeal to the masses, the conservatives will just stay home. The nation is much more liberal than I think many conservatives have believed. I think that four more years of Obama will bring the country down to one big garbage dump. (Greece here we come.) The debt is already to the ceiling and there's no end in sight to its growth. People think this deficit spending can go on forever and it can't. The markets already down 300 this morning and my guess this will continue for some time. Once the taxes all go up in 2013, layoffs will increase, growth in the housing will stop, more people on SS disability, welfare, food stamps, and its only a matter of time before the whole thing goes down the toilet. My advice, plan accordingly. Its going to get rough.
 
Old 11-07-2012, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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If things like these are "less significant" to you and your party, you're lost. And, BTW, the party is fooling no one but itself if it (appears to be) in synch with these things. Wake up; it's the 21st century!

FWIW: I'm glad to hear that you think being anti-government is a low priority on your list. If you can actually get others in your party to see things that way, we might actually have a productive next four years.
The issues themselves aren't less significant but they tend to be applicable and poll heaviest into certain demographics. Gay marriage obviously hits the GLBT community hardest, Abortion hits women hardest, immigration hits Latino's hardest, and the anti-government stance hits those that rely on it's services hardest. I'm not trying to downplay the significance of these issues on their own merit but by and large most rational members of the GOP aren't OVERLY concerned with Adam and Steve getting married or a young woman having an abortion. Most of them (myself included) are concerned almost exclusively with jobs and the economy which IMO needs to be the focus because it is the issue, along with foreign policy, that transverses any and all demographics. It doesn't matter who you are, where you're from, what color your skin is, who you pray to, who you sleep with, or what language you speak...we all need jobs to provide for our loved ones.

If the GOP adopted a moderate stance on social issues like gay marriage, abortion, and immigration while advocating a pro-growth business environment that doesn't destroy all social services we would likely see different results in this election. I'm not saying the GOP would have won...but it would have been a hell of a lot closer.
 
Old 11-07-2012, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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IMHO, the GOP is finished as a viable party, and I'm a life long Republican. If the party basically becomes just slightly less liberal than the democrats to try to appeal to the masses, the conservatives will just stay home. The nation is much more liberal than I think many conservatives have believed. I think that four more years of Obama will bring the country down to one big garbage dump. (Greece here we come.) The debt is already to the ceiling and there's no end in sight to its growth. People think this deficit spending can go on forever and it can't. The markets already down 300 this morning and my guess this will continue for some time. Once the taxes all go up in 2013, layoffs will increase, growth in the housing will stop, more people on SS disability, welfare, food stamps, and its only a matter of time before the whole thing goes down the toilet. My advice, plan accordingly. Its going to get rough.
Deficit spending has been the rage since Reagan, and taxes were higher under his administrations as well. It seemed it was all fine and dandy then, didn't it?

Why was it fine then and not now? Not anyone, NO ONE of my friends can make any rational talk out of that. What usually follows is some blather about Socialism, redistribution, ad naseum. And then something about buying more guns and ammo.

Oh and "We need a strong Defense!!!" What are we? The Chicago Bears?

Hell, Reagan would be branded a liberal by today's GOP standards.
 
Old 11-07-2012, 10:35 AM
 
Location: VA
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A piece of advice of to the socially conservative wing of the party....I am a fiscal conservative, that means I don't give a rats ass what people do in their homes or want to do with their own bodies. It's none of my damn business and annoys the hell out of me when Social Cons try to regulate what we can and can not do based on some asinine concept of god give righteous morality. They are no better than the very same so called liberals they accuse of trying to interfere with personal liberties. The GOP should take this to heart, most Americans don't really care what other people do their bodies, stop trying to interfere because you think the freaking bible gives you a right to.

And would it kill the GOP to gag the Tea Party? They're a national embarrassment as far as I am concerned. It might actually improve their image with mainstream voters!
 
Old 11-07-2012, 10:38 AM
 
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Deficit spending has been the rage since Reagan, and taxes were higher under his administrations as well. It seemed it was all fine and dandy then, didn't it?

Why was it fine then and not now? Not anyone, NO ONE of my friends can make any rational talk out of that. What usually follows is some blather about Socialism, redistribution, ad naseum. And then something about buying more guns and ammo.

Oh and "We need a strong Defense!!!" What are we? The Chicago Bears?

Hell, Reagan would be branded a liberal by today's GOP standards.
I've said that a MILLION TIMES on this board. Reagan couldn't win a Republican primary for dogcatcher if he ran on his presidential record. And neither could Teddy Roosevelt or Ike. What does that tell you?

If the GOP can't see that and do some soul searching, they've got some serious problems.
 
Old 11-07-2012, 10:43 AM
 
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The issues themselves aren't less significant but they tend to be applicable and poll heaviest into certain demographics. Gay marriage obviously hits the GLBT community hardest, Abortion hits women hardest, immigration hits Latino's hardest, and the anti-government stance hits those that rely on it's services hardest. I'm not trying to downplay the significance of these issues on their own merit but by and large most rational members of the GOP aren't OVERLY concerned with Adam and Steve getting married or a young woman having an abortion. Most of them (myself included) are concerned almost exclusively with jobs and the economy which IMO needs to be the focus because it is the issue, along with foreign policy, that transverses any and all demographics. It doesn't matter who you are, where you're from, what color your skin is, who you pray to, who you sleep with, or what language you speak...we all need jobs to provide for our loved ones.

If the GOP adopted a moderate stance on social issues like gay marriage, abortion, and immigration while advocating a pro-growth business environment that doesn't destroy all social services we would likely see different results in this election. I'm not saying the GOP would have won...but it would have been a hell of a lot closer.
I think the big problem in the GOP is that their various factions are unwilling to compromise for the greater good of the party. For the longest time the GOP has been able to give everyone what they want, DOMA for the evangelicals, no path to citizenship for illegals for the anti-immigration crowd.

On the other hand the members of the Democratic coalition have been willing to compromise for the good of the party. Look at Blacks and Latinos on the issue of gay marriage, or teacher unions when it came to Race to the Top.

Lastly, look how the parties treat their moderates. The moderate Democrats are the bluedogs and moderate Republicans are the RINOs.
 
Old 11-07-2012, 10:49 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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I think that four more years of Obama will bring the country down to one big garbage dump. (Greece here we come.) The debt is already to the ceiling and there's no end in sight to its growth. People think this deficit spending can go on forever and it can't.
No, it can't, but here's the thing:

The actual DATA indicates that BOTH Romney and Obama, based on their proposed plans, would increase the debt over the next 4 years, and I've seen data that says Romney's extra $2 trillion in defense spending would have made his plan run up the debt more than Obama. Even IF you reduce deficits, let's say you spend (hypothetical but small compared to actual US deficit spending) $1.9 billion more than you take in in 2013, then spend $1.6 billion more than you take in in 2014, then $1.3 billion more than you take in in 2015, then $0.9 billion more than you take in in 2016- THAT'S REDUCING THE DEFICIT, but it's still taking on more debt each year, and at the end of 2016, you still have much higher debt than you do right now, at the end of 2016 you still borrowed $5.7 billion and incurred interest on it and on the debt that was already there but hasn't been paid down. Higher debt in 2016 was going to be the case regardless of whether Romney or Obama won. If Romney sold you that under him it wasn't- congratulations, you're the proud new owner of a can of snake oil.

Here's the thing though, America CAN cut enough right away to ELIMINATE the deficit, ie. spend no more than what is brought in in tax revenues. But if it were done right away, it would put so many people out of work (what do you think it IS that is being cut- it's money that pays people's salaries or that hires government contractors, etc.) that it would send this nation into a deep recession. Greece's austerity proved that's exactly what happens when you cut in large amounts right away for the sake of fiscal responsibility. And if a president cut American spending to BE fiscally responsible, how do you think the American voter would react when 4 years later, we're in the 4th year of a deep recession?

Americans are mistaken to think that they can have BOTH true fiscal responsibility AND a strong economy at the same time. What it really takes is GRADUALLY reducing the deficit over time (thus as I explained continuing to run up the debt over that time) until you get to the point where spending matches tax revenues. So there's really only 3 ways to handle the issue:

1. Ignore reducing deficits and spend like crazy (including defense spending) and put America on a path to disaster like Greece.
2. Cut spending to match tax receipts right away, achieving fiscal responsibilty now, and put America into a huge ongoing recession, with tremendous levels of job losses like Greece.
3. Cut spending SLOWLY over a number of years, slowly until it matches tax receipts, which means running up more debt during that time frame, give the economy a chance to grow, and then once we get to surplus conditions like we did near the end of the Clinton years, use the surplus to pay down debt and don't DARE give it away in tax cuts like Bush did when the debt is so huge and needs to be addressed.

When people say "cut deficit spending" they need to understand that they're really saying "cut American jobs that are being paid for with borrowed money." They need to understand that they're really saying cut American jobs. Cutting it quickly means cutting a lot of American jobs quickly. Slowly means cutting American jobs slowly (and giving the private sector a better ability to compensate for the job cuts with private job growth) Yet people act as if they have no clue that cutting jobs is what we're talking about when we talk about reducing deficits.
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