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Old 11-09-2012, 12:15 PM
 
Location: NJ
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In 2012, the Cleavers are not a majority of America.


So one can think it should be, stamp their feet, and whine, but if one does not wish to go the way of the dinosaur, one must modify their approach drastically.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
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Agreed. Modify the approach, not core beliefs. The GOP needs its base on board (as once again demonstrated this year) and the base is not changing their core beliefs.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:35 PM
 
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Agreed. Modify the approach, not core beliefs. The GOP needs its base on board (as once again demonstrated this year) and the base is not changing their core beliefs.
No they are not, at least I hope they are not. The Left wants the GOP to become more like them so they get their way no matter who is in office. All this talk about the GOP needs to "give" more to certain groups is nonsense. Who was it that said once the voting public finds out that they can vote themselves money, it's the end of the Republic? It may have been Ben Franklin. We are witnessing it today.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:55 PM
 
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The biggest thing the republicans need to do is drop their rhetoric, that being mostly the tea party. You guys can keep talking about your core principles and having a better candidate to communicate your conservative beliefs, but as long as you have those wackos in your party, your messgae is going to get manipulated, spun, and thrown back in your face.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:23 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Agreed. Modify the approach, not core beliefs. The GOP needs its base on board (as once again demonstrated this year) and the base is not changing their core beliefs.
Certain core beliefs cost votes and are pointless. This is reality: Due to the Tea Party behavior the last few years which IMO was responsible for the absurd, vote costing behavior of primary debate audience members ("Let him die", "Jeer Perry for not punishing children", etc),, Obama won a 2nd term, and he'll end up appointing 1 or 2 SC judges, and Roe v Wade will remain the law of the land. So to include any belief on the issue in the platform is simply to insure the gender gap stays solid. Add in the Latino gap, and truthfully, a negative gap everywhere but older, white men, and the GOP presidential future basis is as archaic as the OTB patron model.

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Old 11-09-2012, 01:25 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The biggest thing the republicans need to do is drop their rhetoric, that being mostly the tea party. You guys can keep talking about your core principles and having a better candidate to communicate your conservative beliefs, but as long as you have those wackos in your party, your messgae is going to get manipulated, spun, and thrown back in your face.


Losing every 4 years gives the Dems more power to embarce more liberal policies.

"David Welch, a former GOP National Committee research director and campaign adviser to John McCain, blamed tea party activists for this hard line.
“The tea party folks who’ve started this race to the bottom, of who can be more conservative, have really done the party damage,” he said. “We’ll always be a pro-life party, but we have to be compassionate about it.”
http://www.tennessean.com/viewart/20...b|topnews|text|
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Upstate NY!
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Let's keep in mind that Republicans didn't lose this election by much. The Democratic agenda is the more popular one...but by the slightest of margins.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:50 PM
 
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“Once the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic.” – Benjamin Franklin





We are doomed as a nation.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:57 PM
 
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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship." - Prof. Alexander Frazer Tytler
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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In 2012, the Cleavers are not a majority of America.


So one can think it should be, stamp their feet, and whine, but if one does not wish to go the way of the dinosaur, one must modify their approach drastically.
Absolutely they need to understand that spending has no consequence . They need to not give a care about unborn. They need to stop being the voice of old white men , dump them let em die
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