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Old 07-23-2013, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Trying to seem 'credible' to the frothing social conservatives, and then appeal to the moderate swing voters
has the GOP playing both sides of the court. Or, 'both ends of the table' if you prefer a ping-pong analogy!

Republicans are lost in the wilderness, sad to say.
Which leaves the door open for a divisive figure like Clinton.

As opposed to, say:
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.)
Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley
Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.)
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.)
or
Governor Deval Patrick


LOL, okay just kidding about that last one.
so glad to hear you are kidding about the last one: Please, Please, Please NO Patrick.
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Old 07-23-2013, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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so glad to hear you are kidding about the last one: Please, Please, Please NO Patrick.
whats wrong with Governor Patrick ?
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Old 07-23-2013, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Christie is a better politician than Giuliani.
I would agree with you but many of us, who supported Giuliani, like my husband (me to some degree) can't understand what happened? He went from way up here, to way don't there!!! I am not sure how strong Christie will be on the west coast and even the southwest. I don't know if it is the accent, the tough exterior or the fact he is a little rough around the edges, I am just not convinced he will be able to pull off a victory. As much as I rather like him, he might be better just continuing to lead the state he loves so much and not seek higher office. Now, for anyone who thinks for a second, Hillary can't be beat, don't be so sure. It is a long way til the election.
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:46 PM
 
Location: NY
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I would agree with you but many of us, who supported Giuliani, like my husband (me to some degree) can't understand what happened? He went from way up here, to way don't there!!! I am not sure how strong Christie will be on the west coast and even the southwest. I don't know if it is the accent, the tough exterior or the fact he is a little rough around the edges, I am just not convinced he will be able to pull off a victory.
I liked Giuliani too, but IMO he just didn't want to run. I haven't met Christie, but those who have say he has an appealing gruff charisma that will suit him well on a campaign. Now lets see if he wants it badly enough to throw his hat in the ring.
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:07 PM
 
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Support appears to be gaining for Hillary Clinton to succeed the great President Obama as President of the United States in 2016. She would be the first WOMAN to hold that position, a result of the CHANGE that President Obama represents. Should would get even more support than President Obama did in this last election, completely obliterating the GOP opposition. The GOP will again waste a FORTUNE in the losing effort. Imagine her having Colin Powell as her running mate. How about an Latino as her running mate, or an Asian? Maybe she would pick someone who is of mixed-race and GAY? Any combination dooms the hapless GOP. There isn't a GOP candidate alive who could compete.

Former top Obama aides join pro-Hillary effort - First Read
She'll win soundly, but your use of caps when describing people like "GAY" or place an emphasis on ethnicity suggests you view certain classes as just that... a class, and not as individuals.

In any event the two party system sucks and it doesn't matter who wins, we'll all be worse off for it no matter what.
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Phila Pa
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I would agree with you but many of us, who supported Giuliani, like my husband (me to some degree) can't understand what happened? He went from way up here, to way don't there!!! I am not sure how strong Christie will be on the west coast and even the southwest. I don't know if it is the accent, the tough exterior or the fact he is a little rough around the edges, I am just not convinced he will be able to pull off a victory. As much as I rather like him, he might be better just continuing to lead the state he loves so much and not seek higher office. Now, for anyone who thinks for a second, Hillary can't be beat, don't be so sure. It is a long way til the election.

That's easy;
He was pro-choice
Pro gay civil union, but did try to back track on that
He was anti gun and sued the gun manufacturers
He once formally declared NYC a sanctuary city, by ordering police too never question the status of an immigrant.
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Old 07-23-2013, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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That's easy;
He was pro-choice
Pro gay civil union, but did try to back track on that
He was anti gun and sued the gun manufacturers
He once formally declared NYC a sanctuary city, by ordering police too never question the status of an immigrant.
I would agree with you for the most part, but he was all of that in the beginning and very popular, it only took about 2 primaries for him to go from the top to the bottom, so I have to think it was more than what you are saying. bTW, the gun issues really did not play into the scene in 2008. Actually I don't think the gay rights issue was all that big either.
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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Hillary is not going to win. She'll go down in history as saying "If I had a son he'd look just like Trayvon Martin" with Bill silently standing behind her nodding his head in agreement.
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:53 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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She'll win soundly, but your use of caps when describing people like "GAY" or place an emphasis on ethnicity suggests you view certain classes as just that... a class, and not as individuals.

In any event the two party system sucks and it doesn't matter who wins, we'll all be worse off for it no matter what.
You attempt to try to interpret what it "suggests" is an exercise that you must struggle with I suppose. There is no ambiguity.

The two-party system is what we have now, and as it stands, Republicans are in serious trouble because they have failed to recreate themselves to get away from the disaster that Bush exposed them as. They can't flourish being a party of BIGOTS. My use of caps here refers to the fact that the most racially-insensitive and bigoted people in this country support the GOP. It also suggests that the GOP widens the racial divide and perpetuates racial discrimination by being either indifferent or practicing it as a matter of course. The GOP is in serious trouble, a reflection of good times ahead.
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Old 07-25-2013, 04:41 AM
 
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You attempt to try to interpret what it "suggests" is an exercise that you must struggle with I suppose. There is no ambiguity.

The two-party system is what we have now, and as it stands, Republicans are in serious trouble because they have failed to recreate themselves to get away from the disaster that Bush exposed them as. They can't flourish being a party of BIGOTS. My use of caps here refers to the fact that the most racially-insensitive and bigoted people in this country support the GOP. It also suggests that the GOP widens the racial divide and perpetuates racial discrimination by being either indifferent or practicing it as a matter of course. The GOP is in serious trouble, a reflection of good times ahead.
I just noticed you live in California. That explains your militant liberal racism.

Carry on.
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