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Old 04-23-2014, 01:19 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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"The economy was doing well from 1984 all the way through the end of his second term"? - You mean including the 2 FULL YEARS (1984 - 1985) when the UE rate NEVER dropped below 7%?
Or the year of 1986 when the UE spent most of it's time at 7% or more?
Are THOSE the "doing well" years you are referring?
So I guess that means you think Obama is doing well, since the UE rate has not climbed about 7% since November.

Ken
The unemployment rate usually takes the longest to recover. And it's only one factor of the economy. Inflation was very low by 1984. So were interest rates. And the GDP growth was over 8% in one quarter of 1984.
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Old 04-23-2014, 01:26 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Replace the word Hillary with Whomever is the Democratic nominee and it becomes far more accurate.

The GOP is trying to pretend the 1954 US demographic map exists, rendering itself not competitive for the office of POTUS.
Being popular as they are where population density is an oxymoron is a losing proposition.
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Old 04-23-2014, 08:46 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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The unemployment rate usually takes the longest to recover. And it's only one factor of the economy. Inflation was very low by 1984. So were interest rates. And the GDP growth was over 8% in one quarter of 1984.
You are right about the UE rate taking the longest to recover - too bad you wingnut types conveniently forget that when you gripe about the UE rate under Obama.

I'm not sure that I'd call 1984's 4.3% inflation rate "very low" - considering that there's only been 2 other years higher than that in the last 30 years (1989 and 1990).

Historical Inflation Rates: 1914-2014, Annual and Monthly Tables - US Inflation Calculator

Interest rates were NOT "low" by 1984 - that's a bunch of ignorant bunk. The average mortgage interest rate for 1984 was nearly 14% (13.88%). Only in wingnut "Reagan was a god" land is that "low". In fact, when Reagan left office it was STILL over 10%.

Primary Mortgage Market Survey Archives - 30 Year Fixed Rate Mortgages - Freddie Mac

Yeah, the GDP growth WAS high under Reagan - to a large degree due to a big burst in deficit spending - beginning a huge surge in deficit spending that has continued since. Prior to Reagan the deficit was relatively tame and the growth of the debt was relatively modest. Beginning with Reagan, huge deficit spending seems to have become the norm, with every President driving the debt higher and higher with little regard to even attempting to balance the budget.

United States Government Spending | Actual Data | Forecasts

Ken

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Old 04-23-2014, 12:32 PM
 
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Chris Christie is the only one who can beat her.
That's why he's being pressed by the media.
He can win NJ and NY, maybe even CA.
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Old 04-23-2014, 12:38 PM
 
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Chris Christie is the only one who can beat her.
That's why he's being pressed by the media.
He can win NJ and NY, maybe even CA.
LOL at California and New York, and he would be a huge underdog in his own state of Jersey. He might be able to cut the Dem margins in the Philly burbs enough to flip Pennsylvania, but he's not going to flip deeply blue states such as Cali any New York.
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Old 04-23-2014, 12:41 PM
 
Location: NJ
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LOL at California and New York, and he would be a huge underdog in his own state of Jersey. He might be able to cut the Dem margins in the Philly burbs enough to flip Pennsylvania, but he's not going to flip deeply blue states such as Cali any New York.
CC destroyed himself. He could have made 2016 interesting, but at this stage, the best he could do is cut the margin of GOP loss a little.
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Old 04-23-2014, 01:07 PM
 
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Why are you guys so excited about Hillary? Honest question.

It just means more wallstreet guys in the admin....more monsanto running the fda....more union busting legislation like NAFTA....more outsourcing masters like Immelt as the "jobs czar"....more foreign bombing, wire tapping....sigh.

It's really quite sad to see people that hated Bush 2.0, keep Bush 3.0 in office for 8 years and now rah rahing for Bush 4.0.

The rebuttal I generally hear is "Well they are better than the republican choice." Yeah...that's a real victory since the democratic option is to run a less far right republican for president. Sigh.
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Old 04-23-2014, 01:32 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Why are you guys so excited about Hillary? Honest question.

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Who's excited-18 states blue since 1988, Mathguy, this is simple math I've been discussing. I'm wondering if any radical right-winger can count to 270. They disregard the only number that counts.
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Old 04-23-2014, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Hillary Clinton is the most unaccomplished and unqualified person ever to run since Barack Obama.
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Old 04-23-2014, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Take a stats class! If you did, you would have seen not only 2012 well before it happened, you wouldn't even be considering GOP in 2016.
If the Obama economy has been great for young voters they will stick with the democrats if on the other hand the young voters still have a hard time finding a job they will switch.
Basically if you like how things are going by 2016 you will stick with a democrat if you do not they might look for a change
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