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Old 06-18-2014, 11:48 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I'm not so sure that the VP can't have a major impact on the ticket. Look at Palin. No one can say that she had no bearing on that race. I think she probably drove more people away from McCain than she drew in for him, but she definitely had an impact that made a difference in the race.
W/O Palin, the Dems lack a super-majority Senate in 2009/10. The race widened as her rhetoric lost independent votes, and Al 60th vote Franken won by under 1,000 votes. If Mn does not widen in the closing month after her campaign meltdowns, Franken loses, 60th vote is lacking, and w/o that vote, Obama gets far less passed in 2009 and 2010.
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Old 06-18-2014, 12:02 PM
 
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If she's the best the Democrat Party and/or the country can do, that is pretty pathetic.
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Old 06-19-2014, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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I'm thinking this might just drive the RWNJs, well, nuts.

Hillary: Minors crossing border must be sent home - The Washington Post
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Old 06-19-2014, 07:04 AM
 
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I'm thinking this might just drive the RWNJs, well, nuts.

Hillary: Minors crossing border must be sent home - The Washington Post
Oh no!....now they have to be against it.
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Old 06-19-2014, 07:07 AM
 
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I'm thinking this might just drive the RWNJs, well, nuts.

Hillary: Minors crossing border must be sent home - The Washington Post
So she's lying to appear moderate.

If anything, this should irritate far left extremists, bobtn, who are perfectly content to do nothing about illegal immigration except give illegal aliens more benefits.
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Old 06-19-2014, 08:37 AM
 
Location: NY
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I'm thinking this might just drive the RWNJs, well, nuts.

Hillary: Minors crossing border must be sent home - The Washington Post
Do you honestly believe she feels this way about illegals? She's attempting to put some space between her and Obama, but everything out of Hillary's mouth is scripted and poll-tested.
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Old 06-19-2014, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Do you honestly believe she feels this way about illegals? She's attempting to put some space between her and Obama, but everything out of Hillary's mouth is scripted and poll-tested.
I am sure the Democrats realize she has to separate herself from Obama if she intends on being the candidate in 2016. Otherwise she is doomed. We will see how she really feels when we get into debate season and there will be challengers to her if she decides to run.
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Old 06-19-2014, 11:23 AM
 
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I agree, there are VPs I prefer, but it is never for strategic reasons. They have no strategic affect.
Before the development of mass media, it mattered. Maybe as late as the 1930's when FDR had a southern running mate in John Nance Garner it mattered to keep the Southern Conservatives on board, but not now. Every voter has maximum exposure to the Presidential candidate and people vote on the basis of the top of the ticket. The Veep just has to be competent enough to be viewed as being able to step in if the President dies in office.

The one race I can remember a Veep Candidate having a positive effect on the performance of a ticket was when HHH selected Edmund Muskie, but that was mainly due to Agnew scaring people. Humphrey ran an ad that just showed "Vice President Agnew?" on the screen accompanied by hysterical laughter. Compared to Agnew, Muskie was Lincolnesque. Even that wasn't enough to elect Humphrey, but the Wallace candidacy coupled with the Agnew pick made it closer than it should have been.

Also in 2000, the Gore choice of Lieberman arguably increased the Jewish turnout and Democratic vote in Florida. Without him on the ticket, Florida and the national race might have been called for Bush earlier than it was.

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Old 06-19-2014, 11:25 AM
 
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[quote=Dale Cooper;35287209]Yes, she did. Many, many people voted because of Palin. I am one of them. I would never in a million years have voted for McCain alone. I voted for him ONLY because I had to vote for him to vote for Palin.

You're right that he wasn't going to win, no matter what, but he got a huge portion of the votes because of, not in spite of Palin.

I personally heard only one single person say he was voting specifically for McCain.

The McCain/Palin ticket was one of a kind. Never before and probably never again can I imagine voting for a presidential candidate because of the VP pick.
The Red Wall is going to smash Hillary. Blow her away. I can't wait.


Your red wall is a few bricks shy of a load.
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Old 06-19-2014, 12:30 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I am sure the Democrats realize she has to separate herself from Obama if she intends on being the candidate in 2016. Otherwise she is doomed. We will see how she really feels when we get into debate season and there will be challengers to her if she decides to run.

All she needs is the Blue Wall. Va & NM are as blue as the wall now due to demographic changes in each, and the Red Wall is absolutely insufficient. That blue wall, being socially moderate, DETESTS the GOP at the presidential level.

The Southern Strategy has turned into the Democrat's best friend, as the fringe elements of the GOP have gotten center stage, alienating the majority of America's EC block.
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