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Old 11-09-2012, 12:47 PM
 
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Dissect this thing just like the fetal pig in your biology class. Since Catholics include the huge Hispanic population, the Filipino population, and immigrants from Southern Europe, who are more LIKELY to vote Democratic/Obama, this indicates that it had to have been the typical Anglo-ish WHITE middle-class, or higher, Catholic who OVERWHELMINGLY voted for Romney.

First, it's interesting that Catholics didn't consider the religious ramifications of their vote, not owning up to the fact that they are the religion that the Mormon Church views as Enemy #1 and from whom they would like to snatch the bulk of their converts. I travel extensively in zones where Italian, Spanish and Portuguese are spoken, and see their "effort" firsthand.

But, let's get back to basics here. The Catholic church has extended its political opinion, albeit with typical Catholic caution, in their publications.
1) Economics - the Catholic church backs the candidate who supports the plight of those with more modest means and wants to see basic working, or unemployed, folks bolstered by those in power
2) Affordable Care Act - the Catholic church believes making health care accessible to all is the humane path
3) Abortion/birth control - the Catholic church is against it; they'd like to see Planned Parenthood shuttered, if that was possible
4) Same-sex marriage - the Catholic church is against it

So, then, these privileged Catholics can't assess the relative weight of these positions, and realize that 1) and 2) pack more punch than 3) and 4), which affect a small percentage of society. It's amazing that the pulpit's reactionary views toward 3) and 4) overshadowed the primary items of concern in this election. There was no checklist "have your cake and eat it, too" on election issues this time around and there never will be. However, a Catholic who votes holistically, and can WEIGH the relative merits of issues without being spoon fed, should have turned out a vote that reflected at least 65:35 Obama:Romney. I'm embarrassed by so many Catholics, the religion in which I was reared, in America, and their neanderthal political thinking.

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Old 11-09-2012, 12:50 PM
 
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How did you get your statistics on the Catholic vote?
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:52 PM
 
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Guess you missed this tidbit from the National Catholic Reporter:

Which presidential candidate is truly pro-life? | National Catholic Reporter
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:58 PM
 
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Look at the Catholic nuns. They've been focusing on #1 and #2 for years and now they've been reprimanded by the pope for it. They were told to focus on #3 and #4 instead. So what is the clear message? Is there one?
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:59 PM
 
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How did you get your statistics on the Catholic vote?
Flashing on CNN, even before midnight on the Pacific coast - they did the male vote (56% Romney), the female vote (more Obama), etc. It was on the TV screen, with different demographic and geographic stats flashing at the bottom.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:03 PM
 
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Hom many of those Catholics attend mass each week?

The Catholic Church is dying a slow death in this country.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:06 PM
 
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Flashing on CNN, even before midnight on the Pacific coast - they did the male vote (56% Romney), the female vote (more Obama), etc. It was on the TV screen, with different demographic and geographic stats flashing at the bottom.

Okay, the reason I ask is because I don't think it's possible to get the true accounting of "the Catholic vote." While 50% of Catholics "polled" may say they voted for Obama, I would bet the number was higher. I think in public forums or in their church groups, many Catholics won't speak up about their preference for Obama. I am a non-Catholic and my kids have attended Catholic school. My son is currently in a strong conservative-minded Catholic school and they were VERY pro-Romney to the point that my son's classmates for very vocal and critical of my son's choice. It is also a very white school.

But strangely enough, the day after election, one of the AP Government teachers came into class and shared his and his wife's ballot and he went through line by line why he voted for the democrat and what the issues were. The students were stunned. The other government teacher also is democrat but wasn't quite so open with his voting habits. I know why the one teacher did it. I think it frightens him to see these kids falling lock-step in with #3 and #4 and not thinking of the bigger picture (#1 and #) and what the true mission of being a follower of Christ is. He didn't give his views in a way that was trying to coerce, but he gave them from one Catholic to another, on thinking through ALL of the reasons that there are to vote using your faith.

But, I digress. My point was that I think many Catholics quietly voted for Obama and I bet those numbers aren't accurate.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:12 PM
 
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Flashing on CNN, even before midnight on the Pacific coast - they did the male vote (56% Romney), the female vote (more Obama), etc. It was on the TV screen, with different demographic and geographic stats flashing at the bottom.
Did this include religion?
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:14 PM
 
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Look at the Catholic nuns. They've been focusing on #1 and #2 for years and now they've been reprimanded by the pope for it. They were told to focus on #3 and #4 instead. So what is the clear message? Is there one?
Isn't this sad? Besides being spinsterish and the butt of jokes, nuns, to me, represented women called to teach and to heal. I have a friend who is from India whose mother had Catholic nuns who did NOT push them to move away from their Hindu religion. Seriously. Needless to say, his Hindu mother has a favorable view of Catholicism. One of the major Catholic hospital chains in the Pacific Northwest was founded by a group of nuns who moved westward from Quebec and began with very austere operations.

Joining the ranks of the Catholic religious, either as a priest or a nun, is not as desirable an option as it once was.

I strongly believe the Catholic church needed to stay focused on #1 and #2, and shut their mouths on #3 and #4. Catholic HS girls over 18 have been helping themselves to abortions from recreational sex for decades. That, and abortion, are not going to go away. It's a choice they have to make, and it's something they'll have to negotiate with the strength, or lack thereof, regarding their own faith and values, so I don't care about #3. On #4, when all is said and done, it was a big fuss over nothing -- not many people, numerically, in America will probably even utilize same-sex marriage, even among those who are same-sex attracted, and just live together.

50:48 Obama:Romney - what a (sad) joke, and what a sad statement about Catholics.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:17 PM
 
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Do I care what candidate a pedophile cult voted for?

No.
I wouldn't care either if I didn't even live in the US.
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