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Old 11-09-2012, 03:33 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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It's quite telling and embarrassing when the entire ticket can't even win their own home states (Mass and Wisconsin). These states know the candidates the best and won't even vote for them. Then there's Michigan, state of George Romney. Lost that as well. That's sad.
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Do you also admit that the 2004 race was close?
Can't comment on that as I don't recall the numbers.

[too lazy to look it up right now]
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:36 PM
 
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I generally agree with this. The hurricane gave Obama one last opportunity to be seen doing something presidential without the sideshow of campaigning for the job. In the meantime, Romney had to stand down (or look like an axx for campaigning at a time of an emergency) and he essentially disappeared for a week.

If you don't agree, think about another event that had people rallying around the sitting president which certainly gave him a popularity boost - Bush and 9/11. I thought he did a great job (doing what presidents need to do) in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.

[and I'm not a Bush fan]
It's not me agree or disagreeing with you. The polls show that Obama remain the favorite before, during, and after the hurricane. The polls numbers changed very little. But of course the right will tell you many of these polls are bias or skewed. The outcome proved the polls were dead on. Only Fox News had polls showing Romney with a lead.
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:38 PM
 
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It's not me agree or disagreeing with you. The polls show that Obama remain the favorite before, during, and after the hurricane. The polls numbers changed very little. But of course the right will tell you many of these polls are bias or skewed. The outcome proved the polls were dead on. Only Fox News had polls showing Romney with a lead.
Fair enough.
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:52 PM
 
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I said it from the beginning, this race reminded me a lot of 2004. We had a president that was not overly popular who should have been easily defeated, yet that challenging party could not seem to produce a challenger who had the ability to get enough people excited enough to win.

2004 was really close. Kerry may indeed have won Ohio according to many.
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:53 PM
 
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Obama got 10 million fewer votes in 2012 than he had in 2008 --- that's not exactly a lot of enthusiasm.

3 million is nothing -- that is very close. Out of over 330,000,000 people -- that's not even 1%.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:03 PM
 
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Obama got 10 million fewer votes in 2012 than he had in 2008 --- that's not exactly a lot of enthusiasm.

3 million is nothing -- that is very close. Out of over 330,000,000 people -- that's not even 1%.
The popular vote was close. The electoral was a ass whipping. Which number do you put more weight to?
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:13 PM
 
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Obama got 10 million fewer votes in 2012 than he had in 2008 --- that's not exactly a lot of enthusiasm.

3 million is nothing -- that is very close. Out of over 330,000,000 people -- that's not even 1%.
I had no idea there are 330 million registered voters in the U.S. Let alone that they all voted.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:19 PM
 
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It was close. It was practically an even split, I think.
Obama is currently up almost 3 million votes, with 30% of California still uncounted. In the Electoral College he won by 126 votes. That's about as 'close' as a 35-21 football game. Which, of course, isn't close.

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[if the vote was one week earlier or later it could easily have been Romney's]
Yeah.

Except for the fact that Mitt Romney never led in enough state polls to win 269 polls.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:23 PM
 
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Obama got 10 million fewer votes in 2012 than he had in 2008 --- that's not exactly a lot of enthusiasm.

3 million is nothing -- that is very close. Out of over 330,000,000 people -- that's not even 1%.


a) There aren't even 330,000,000 people in the United States.
b) Of the less than 330,000,000 in the United States, a substantial minority are under the age of 18, non-citizens, or felons in states which do not permit felons to vote.
c) Of the less that 33,000,000 who are eligible to vote, about a third do not.

The margin is currently 2.4%, with votes still being counted.
United States presidential election, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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